Interesting bits of cricket history/facts/stats/trivia that you find

[Pap Finn Keighl]

I don't take it personally at all. I have never argued against Gavaskar being acknowledged as an ATG opener. Some of my posts have all been about questioning PFK calling his opinion a FACT. We could debate the rating of players in any category ad infinitum and that is all PFK and I have been doing. Show me where the exchanges between us have been personal.

I said its a FACT because you were continuously questioning my rating of Gavaskar > Sobers and Sachin, like it is unreasonable and illogical.

 

[Coronis]

I need to know why Archie Maclaren scored 424 in 1895.

Why?

Well the innings itself wasn’t declared (MacLaren was captain). Just estimating roughly based on run rates, 154 5 ball overs were bowled the first day and 165 the second of the 3 day game (take them with a grain of salt, I know run rates can vastly change throughout an innings), but lets say 150 overs a day were being bowled in County cricket at the time.

So with roughly 70 overs bowled of their innings on the second day, MacLaren scored 135 out of 246, and judging from the scorecard was probably the 6th or 7th wicket to fall, with the last 4 falling for 9 runs. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if there was some personal vanity in getting 400+ for the first time in a county match or that he was even going for the 485 record high score at the time. At that stage in the championship, Lancashire was 8-3-1 with roughly half their remaining matches against bottom half teams(ending up 14-4-3) after 12/21 matches, vying with only Surrey for the championship (unsure of their record at the time, but they were clearly helped by playing 26 matches that season..). Anyway with a top of the table record I can see why MacLaren wouldn’t mind going for personal glory over aiming specifically for the win (which they still got) as the uncovered wickets likely deteriorated quickly then and who knows what the weather was like.

Fun fact, Lara’s 501* and MacLaren’s 424 were completed in 474 and 470 mins respectively with 62 4’s each. Both almost an hour and half quicker than Hick’s 405* and over 2 hours quicker than Northeast (yes that’s his last name) 410*, the only other 400+ county scores.

 

[AndrewB]

The innings itself wasn't declared because you couldn't declare until the final day at that time.

Brief history of declarations:
1884 Laws (and before that): No declarations.
1889: You can declare on the last day of a match.
1900: You can declare at/after lunch of the second day of a 3-day match, or any time of day 2 of a 2-day match.
1906: You can declare on the first day of a 2-day match if there's at least 100 minutes still to play. (Law unchanged for 3-day match).
1910: You can declare at any time on the second day of a 3-day match. (Law unchanged for 2-day match).
1955: You can declare at any time in a 2-day match.
1957: You can declare at any time in a match of any length.
1968: You can forfeit your second innings.
By the 2000 laws you could forfeit either innings.

 

[honestbharani]

Ironic coming from you in particular.

does not make it any less true.

 

[Line and Length]

I said its a FACT because you were continuously questioning my rating of Gavaskar > Sobers and Sachin, like it is unreasonable and illogical.

I questioned if you understood > (a tongue in cheek post) and debated your ranking of Gavaskar on 2 or 3 occasions. On my final post in the thread I agreed our opinions differed but questioned how an opinion could be FACT. If those 3 or 4 posts constitute "continuously" then so be it. Have a good day.

 

[Prince EWS]

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Opinion.

 

[honestbharani]

I questioned if you understood > (a tongue in cheek post) and debated your ranking of Gavaskar on 2 or 3 occasions. On my final post in the thread I agreed our opinions differed but questioned how an opinion could be FACT. If those 3 or 4 posts constitute "continuously" then so be it. Have a good day.

Think he is taking out his frustrations on starfighter at you. lol

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

I questioned if you understood > (a tongue in cheek post) and debated your ranking of Gavaskar on 2 or 3 occasions. On my final post in the thread I agreed our opinions differed but questioned how an opinion could be FACT. If those 3 or 4 posts constitute "continuously" then so be it. Have a good day.

Why should anyone assume " > " not used correctly or asking clarification twice..like Do you really believe this when someone ranks gavaskar > sobers and sachin.
Once is ok ( still inappropriate though )

 

[TheJediBrah]

I don't take it personally at all. I have never argued against Gavaskar being acknowledged as an ATG opener. Some of my posts have all been about questioning PFK calling his opinion a FACT. We could debate the rating of players in any category ad infinitum and that is all PFK and I have been doing. Show me where the exchanges between us have been personal.

For all of PFKs interesting opinions, this is a very mild one to call him out on

 

[Line and Length]

I'm ignoring thin-skinned members who don't recognise "tongue in cheek" ... even when it's pointed out to them.

 

[Coronis]

Only one bowler who played in the 21st century has eclipsed 1500 first class wickets. No, not Kumble, Warne or Murali. Not Steyn, McGrath or Anderson. The mighty Courtney Walsh, with 1807 wickets.

 

[mr_mister]

Just regarding the timeless test, it's amazing how close we got to a completely unassailable 4th innings victory record high score

 

[the big bambino]

Ironically enough I think they'd have lost. If play resumed the pitch, which finally began to break up, would've been trickier still after the delaying storm.

 

[mr_mister]

42 to get but with 5 wickets in hand. But also with 2 fresh batsmen at the crease. Would have been a helluva finish

Should have just rescheduled the ship leaving...