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Curtley Ambrose taking 1-139 in a 2 Test series v Pakistan in '97/'98. The series on either side of that he had averaged 14.82 v Sri Lanka and 14.27 v England.
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Instances of highly rated bowlers having below par series
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Bahseph
International Debutant
Rabada hardly has bad series if you look at stats. You have to watch him bowl to see that he isn't at his best. He somehow keeps picking up poles.
Silver Silva
International Regular
I noticed that aswell ..
In the comparison that was made on the Rabada v Akthar thread , Shoaib Akthar had 178 wickets in 46 tests ..I mean thats pretty damn good ...But Rabada in just 14 more tests has more than 102 wickets than Akthar..
So basically Shoaib Akthar would have to get 7 wickets a match for 14 straight tests to get to Rabada's tally
Ah my bad, you meant the tour to India.
Flem274*
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A good trait to have tbf
Shady Slim
International Coach
tbf anyone who watched that series knows rabada's terrible in-substance performance was a big part of why they didn't do as well as they'd hope
Bahseph
International Debutant
It's a good trait to have for statistical purposes but yes I agree with this. Especially with him as the spearhead now.
Shady Slim
International Coach
yeah like the sort of aggressive mediocrity he dished up, being characterised with release ball after release ball, really heaped the pressure on to the other bowlers, such that even though he did ultimately come out of the series with not egregious figures, the burden it placed on everyone else signed in my viewing in how cooked the rest of the attack looked by the end of the series. felt like they had to put in double shift to make up for him, when as you say he's the spearhead, then he took a whole heap of garbagetime wickets anyway to get decent figures!
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That over where he bowled six consecutive deliveries down the leg side with the new ball was rough.
Chin Music
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If this is slightly focussing on Cummins, it should be said that he was ok up until Leeds where there was then an obvious fall away. It is reasonable to say that he struggled with so many tests in a short space of time although it should be said that England had obviously gone pretty hard at him from the start. There is a difference between him and being overworked and Hazlewood, who looked as though he had lost some snap compared with a couple of years ago. I guess if Australia had won the series by Old Trafford they would have rested him. I don't think it will help his bowling career if he keeps captaining, regardless if he is Australia's most appropriate captaincy option.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
This. Ambrose was utterly humiliated in that series whereas Walsh was taking wickets quite well.
Flem274*
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I view this kinda like how we view batsmen who are completely out of form but still scratch around for a 30-60 score rather than going boom bust.
Bowlers who can still golden arm it when they're down on form are pretty valuable. Rabada wasn't good by any stretch, but I think we tend to put bowlers under the microscope very quickly compared to batsmen and South Africa could have done with a batsman or Maharaj showing up.
I watched that series and I agree Rabada was trash, and golden arming it is contextual (less useful at the end of an innings to save figures), but I'm never going to knock a guy who seems to get wickets even when he shouldn't. Those guys are great for a team.
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Letting batsmen get set with loose deliveries, wasting the new ball, getting taken off and having the others face the music then coming back to take cheap wickets is not really the same imo. If we have to compare it to batsmen I think it was more along the lines of Dhoni in his late ODI career.
Line and Length
Cricketer Of The Year
Ambrose is far from the only fast bowler to struggle in Tests in Pakistan.
Dale Steyn played in 2 Tests there in 2010/11 and his 6 wickets came @ 46.33.
On either side of that he had 15 @ 18.13 in 3 Tests in W.!. and 21 @ 17.48 in 3 Tests against India in S.A.
Dale Steyn played in 2 Tests there in 2010/11 and his 6 wickets came @ 46.33.
On either side of that he had 15 @ 18.13 in 3 Tests in W.!. and 21 @ 17.48 in 3 Tests against India in S.A.
Bahseph
International Debutant
I agree with the Pakistan point but I think those Test were in the UAE. He did well in Pakistan in 2007.
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Shoaib.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
I don't blame him for doing nothing in the UAE as those tracks were dead. He did better second time he toured.
wpdavid
Hall of Fame Member
Steve Harmison's 2004-05 performance in SA spings to mind. He had been number 1 in the rankings 8 months before the tour and performed well enough in the home series beforehand, but only managed 9 wickets across the five tests at an average of 73.2
And this was in SA, where fast bowlers have traditionally done well if they're good enough.
And this was in SA, where fast bowlers have traditionally done well if they're good enough.
Adorable Asshole
International Regular
Imran vs India in 87 in India. Averaged 47.
McGrath vs SA in Australian in 2006. Averaged 40.
Hadlee vs Pak in Pak in 77. Averaged 44
McGrath vs SA in Australian in 2006. Averaged 40.
Hadlee vs Pak in Pak in 77. Averaged 44
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Sorry I missed this at the time FP