Insane and mockery of Test cricket

[Jigga988]

I quite like Mushfiqur Rahim, he's certainly an acceptable Test Wicket Keeper, better than West Indies current keeper Ramdin for sure.

That is rubbish, Ramdin got in to the Windies side as a batsman who couldn't really keep. Also, captained the Windies U21 team and had some real class and potential with the bat (at test level as well as ODI level) I think his lack of form with the bat (not with the gloves) is down to the fact that in the last couple years he has been working on his keeping and has become one of the top 4 or 5 keepers (not batsmen) around. Because of this he has neglected his batting thus explaining his lack of form. I have no doubt he will get some form with the bat in the future.

Ramdin >>>>> Rahim despite Rahim's half decent knock against SA Ramdin keeps a hell of a lot better and i have no doubt he willl get some form with the bat.

 

[NUFAN]

That is rubbish, Ramdin got in to the Windies side as a batsman who couldn't really keep. Also, captained the Windies U21 team and had some real class and potential with the bat (at test level as well as ODI level) I think his lack of form with the bat (not with the gloves) is down to the fact that in the last couple years he has been working on his keeping and has become one of the top 4 or 5 keepers (not batsmen) around. Because of this he has neglected his batting thus explaining his lack of form. I have no doubt he will get some form with the bat in the future.

Ramdin >>>>> Rahim despite Rahim's half decent knock against SA Ramdin keeps a hell of a lot better and i have no doubt he willl get some form with the bat.

My two most recent memories of Ramdin the Test Cricketer are his leave at the end of the day's play getting clean bowled and the shot that went into the air where neither the bowler or Ramdin went for it, letting the ball bounce embarrassingly in the middle.

Ramdin's glovework is not in the top 4 or 5 and his batting is quite horrible in the longer format.

I still maintain Rahim > Ramdin.

 

[Jigga988]

My two most recent memories of Ramdin the Test Cricketer are his leave at the end of the day's play getting clean bowled and the shot that went into the air where neither the bowler or Ramdin went for it, letting the ball bounce embarrassingly in the middle.

Ramdin's glovework is not in the top 4 or 5 and his batting is quite horrible in the longer format.

I still maintain Rahim > Ramdin.

judging a keeper in two test matches is hardly fair, and Ramdin is at least in the top 6 in keeping and is a hell of a lot better than Rahim. McCullum is better than him, as is Dhoni Haddin and Boucher and maybe Prasana, and apart from that i dont see any better keepers than him

 

[Uppercut]

Yes, and plus I think Rahim's keeping is also quite useful.

Niall O'Brien is a perfectly solid keeper, as any Northants or Kent fan will have you know. Better than, say, Ambrose or Prior behind the stumps.

 

[Uppercut]

What? I didn't post any such thing - you're mixing people/posts up. I know next to nothing about Irish FCC, and my interest is even less significant than my knowledge.

What's to know? It doesn't exist. There's no such thing.

 

[Jigga988]

On a slightly different note, what was the need for such a brutle and OTT title. It's one player from a pretty useless side that should probobly lose his place, I don't know if that classifies as an insane mockey of test cricket.

 

[NUFAN]

judging a keeper in two test matches is hardly fair, and Ramdin is at least in the top 6 in keeping and is a hell of a lot better than Rahim. McCullum is better than him, as is Dhoni Haddin and Boucher and maybe Prasana, and apart from that i dont see any better keepers than him

So he's gone to top 6 now, after being top 4 or 5?

Also Kamran Akmal is better than Ramdin.

I think Prior's keeping has improved but I can see why you'd pick Ramdin ahead keeping wise.

If I were ranking the current keepers in Test Cricket I'd have Ramdin dead last, even Zim have a better keeper.

FTR - Ramdin may improve one day in the longer format, but currently I don't rate him.

 

[Jigga988]

So he's gone to top 6 now, after being top 4 or 5?

Also Kamran Akmal is better than Ramdin.

I think Prior's keeping has improved but I can see why you'd pick Ramdin ahead keeping wise.

If I were ranking the current keepers in Test Cricket I'd have Ramdin dead last, even Zim have a better keeper.

Thats an absolute joke of a statement Ramdin is as solid as a keeper gets, again you have only seen him in the two NZ tests, you didnt see how consistent he has been in SA against Australia and against Sri Lanka, he isn't spectacular but is consistent and in that series against NZ his poor batting form had a small effect on his keeping but having said that he still took a corker of a catch in second test in NZ's first innings or second, can't quite remember.

 

[NUFAN]

Thats an absolute joke of a statement Ramdin is as solid as a keeper gets, again you have only seen him in the two NZ tests, you didnt see how consistent he has been in SA against Australia and against Sri Lanka, he isn't spectacular but is consistent and in that series against NZ his poor batting form had a small effect on his keeping but having said that he still took a corker of a catch in second test in NZ's first innings or second, can't quite remember.

Oh did I? That is news to me.

I've seen his last 5 Test Matches. He's made something like 13 runs and his keeping is only adequate at best. There are certainly many keepers who are more solid than Ramdin, you've said it yourself!

Would like to see him against a spinner who spins the ball.

 

[NUFAN]

Bangladeshi Test batsman and captain, Mohammed Ashreaful has scored 171 runs this year from 9 tests and 16 innings, at an average of 10.8. He has not had a single 50, but leads the country in number of ducks (4).

Isn't his continued selection an insult to Bangladeshi and Test cricket as a whole??

Ashraful 70 not out at the close of play.

He's certainly not batting at the level he could bat at, but he certainly is one of the 6 best batters in the country, just look at the current averages..

Another thing, Shakib has the best batting and bowling average in the team. When was the last time a player has done this [excluding a batter who has taken like 1 or 2 career wickets for not many runs]?

 

[susudear]

For a change

Ashraful 70 not out at the close of play.

He's certainly not batting at the level he could bat at, but he certainly is one of the 6 best batters in the country, just look at the current averages..

Another thing, Shakib has the best batting and bowling average in the team. When was the last time a player has done this [excluding a batter who has taken like 1 or 2 career wickets for not many runs]?

A good innings from Ashraful. But does not change my perception about his batting, and in the long run, Bangladesh are much better without him or his captaincy.

Shakib is such a gun player, although he is likely to be over-bowled and injured at this rate.

 

[Smudge]

101. Not bad.... and only fair, considering the bumping that susudear was doing, that I knock this up myself.

 

[susudear]

Oh yes

101. Not bad.... and only fair, considering the bumping that susudear was doing, that I knock this up myself.

A very good innings. But Ashraful still should be nowhere near the captaincy of Bangladesh. And even Saqlain managed a century, so nothing too much to read into it.

Shakib's been so consistent that he needs to move up the order.

 

[sanga1337]

You don't want to overwork him though. He bowled close to 70 overs in the match, which was easily the most overs bowled by any of the Bangladeshi bowlers. He shouldn't bat anywhere higher than 6. Maybe in ODI's but not in tests, the workload of being expected to bowl that many overs as well as the pressure of batting in the top 5 is too much.

 

[bagapath]

He has given match winning performances on many occasions. Moreover he is one of the technically better Bangladeshi batsman. What other options you have if you drop him? None.................
Bad patch is a part of the life of every cricketer. We can't deny from the talent he has got. Just support him.

cant really think of too many BD wins to accept this statement

 

[Migara]

Now I am figuring out whether any Irish team would have lasted for 60 overs against This SL bowling linu up. The gap between Irish and Bangladeshis is very evident now. And BTW, Even Kenyans were a tier above them in 1996-2003 era.

 

[Uppercut]

Now I am figuring out whether any Irish team would have lasted for 60 overs against This SL bowling linu up. The gap between Irish and Bangladeshis is very evident now. And BTW, Even Kenyans were a tier above them in 1996-2003 era.

Pffft. I wonder how many of the Irish team you've actually seen play.

Ireland's theoretical test side
W Porterfield- 24 FC matches, now playing for Gloucestershire, where he is now first-choice, averaging 33. Quality opener.
N O'Brien- top-class WK-batsman who opens the batting when playing for Ireland. 69 FC matches, now playing for Northamptonshire after four years of Kent. Better than several WK-batsmen tried by England over the past few years.
E Joyce- Probably the best Irish cricketer ever, and better than anyone ever produced by Bangladesh. Now Middlesex captain, he no longer turns out for Ireland due to his selection for England for the CBS in 2007 and following a century against Australia his selection for the world cup. Would undeniably be playing for Ireland had they been allowed test status when Bangladesh were.
E Morgan- Excellent batsman playing for Middlesex in the county championship and currently on tour with the England Lions. Averages 41 with the bat in FC cricket. Only 22 and will more than likely play for England at some stage in his career, but as with Joyce, would be turning out for Ireland if it had a shot at test cricket.
K O'Brien- Promising chubby all-rounder yet to play for a county side but averaging 45 with the bat and 22 with ball in FC matches against assosciate nations. One for the future.
G Wilson- 22-year old wicket-keeper batsman currently playing for Surrey. Certainly very promising, but nothing more.
T Johnston- Former captain of the side, a useful lower-order batsman, handy bowler and veteran of the side. Inspirational, but not a quality cricketer.
K McCallan- Handy off-spinner, strangely far more effective in Irish conditions. Nothing anywhere near the class Bangladesh have in this area.
P Connell- New Zealand-born seamer, only recently picked at the age of 27 but has had an unbelievable start to his Assosciate cricket career, with 28 wickets in his first five matches at an average of 11. An unknown quantity, but not to be taken lightly.
R West- Left-arm tweaker, formerly of Wellington in NZ, preferred these days to Dave Langford-Smith in turning conditions. Again, handy, but nothing to write home about.
Boyd Rankin- Excellent 6ft8in fast bowler playing now for Warwickshire, having moved recently from Derbyshire. Only 24 and plagued by injury problems, but if he can stay fit he's as good a fast-bowler as one could hope to find.


To me that's certainly a more solid batting lineup than Bangladesh, but the bowling's a bit thin with only Rankin standing out. If Paul Connell can live up to his early promise, they certainly have the better of Bangladesh in seaming conditions, but regarding spin it's a non-contest. It's certainly not the non-contest some would assume, the best of the Assosciates versus the worst test team.

 

[Migara]

Pffft. I wonder how many of the Irish team you've actually seen play.

The show in last WC was enough to convince me that they are behind Kenya and Bangladesh.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Now I am figuring out whether any Irish team would have lasted for 60 overs against This SL bowling linu up. The gap between Irish and Bangladeshis is very evident now. And BTW, Even Kenyans were a tier above them in 1996-2003 era.

The show in last WC was enough to convince me that they are behind Kenya and Bangladesh.

Despite Ireland beating the latter? Interesting logic there, care to expand?

And anyway Bangladesh being better than Ireland still isn't an argument for them having test status.

 

[susudear]

Worries about Sri Lankan bowling

Now I am figuring out whether any Irish team would have lasted for 60 overs against This SL bowling linu up. The gap between Irish and Bangladeshis is very evident now. And BTW, Even Kenyans were a tier above them in 1996-2003 era.

Are you not bit piffed at Sri Lanka giving away so many runs in the 4th innings? I know there were some dropped catches, and the Bangladeshi batsmen did bat well, but 400+ on a 5th day wicket??