Insane and mockery of Test cricket

[Goughy]

I think we need to be a bit more patient, remembering that most of the team is under 25 years of age, so they do have some time of their side.

One thing what I hope doesn't happen is that this group all gets dropped at around the same time, so Bangladesh bring in a new batch of under 21s again.

Yeah, they dont have the best record in developing talent in the long run or patience before dropping for a younger player.

They have only been in Test cricket for 5 mins and a quick (rough) count shows that Bangladesh already has 19 players that are currently 30 years or under that have not played in a Test in the past 2 years. Ie picked young and then cast aside for the next to be picked young and then cast aside.

The turn over of player is scary.

 

[Migara]

Even if all that were true (equating Bangladesh's domestic first-class competition to New Zealand's is self-defeating because if the players were any good, where are they on the international stage?!? But anyway...), having a (38 year old) spinner who may or may not be better than an Irish offie who can't get a domestic English contract even is an argument for Bangladesh having test status how, exactly? Intrigued to know.

On that note, Everminds first post of equating Irish FCC competiotion to BAN's should also be self defeating. And everyone knows that Rafique got in to the side when he was past his prime and learning time, unlike other spinners. But sorry to say, if England had him in his prime, they'll grab him with both hands over Giles.

 

[susudear]

Current year

Yeah, they dont have the best record in developing talent in the long run or patience before dropping for a younger player.

They have only been in Test cricket for 5 mins and a quick (rough) count shows that Bangladesh already has 19 players that are currently 30 years or under that have not played in a Test in the past 2 years. Ie picked young and then cast aside for the next to be picked young and then cast aside.

The turn over of player is scary.

Current year alone, they have had 20 players in the 9 matches they've played. However the ICL exodus could be a factor for such a huge number.

 

[BoyBrumby]

On that note, Everminds first post of equating Irish FCC competiotion to BAN's should also be self defeating. And everyone knows that Rafique got in to the side when he was past his prime and learning time, unlike other spinners. But sorry to say, if England had him in his prime, they'll grab him with both hands over Giles.

a) Ireland doesn't have a first-class competition; McKallan's "first class" wickets would've been from the ICC Intercontinental Cup;

b) Bollocks. Ashley Giles, god bless him, was a better bowler than Rafique and a much better batsman as well. Gilo had the distinct disadvantages of playing in England, a graveyard for fingerspinners by and large, and being, for almost all of his career, perceived as the soft scoring option in his team so more likely to be attacked;

c) You've avoided my question entirely, I note. Kudos.

 

[Uppercut]

I quite like Mushfiqur Rahim, he's certainly an acceptable Test Wicket Keeper, better than West Indies current keeper Ramdin for sure.

Mortaza is quite okay, but obviously averaging just over 40 isn't good enough. Shakib Al Hasan has been tremendous this year and at only 21 he has an exciting future, hopefully he doesn't get overbowled though!

Tamim Iqbal is probably the young batter with the most talent, interested in seeing how he progresses.

I think we need to be a bit more patient, remembering that most of the team is under 25 years of age, so they do have some time of their side.

One thing what I hope doesn't happen is that this group all gets dropped at around the same time, so Bangladesh bring in a new batch of under 21s again.

Rahim<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<O'Brien.

Mortaza<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Rankin.

Iqbal<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Morgan.

Joyce>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone who has ever played for Bangladesh.


Why do Bangladesh get all this bull**** about patience when Ireland, a superior team, don't get a whisper of longer-form cricket? McCallan's a PE teacher, not a cricketer, and he'd probably make it into the Bangladesh side.

 

[Uppercut]

On that note, Everminds first post of equating Irish FCC competiotion to BAN's should also be self defeating. And everyone knows that Rafique got in to the side when he was past his prime and learning time, unlike other spinners. But sorry to say, if England had him in his prime, they'll grab him with both hands over Giles.

Strange post, equating non-existent cricket to Bangladeshi's FC competition. I don't know how you gathered that Irish cricketers can't play spin if you didn't even know there's no FC system here.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Rahim<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<O'Brien.

O'Brien is so overrated. An average wicketkeeper-batsman in a sub-average team. Decent at first-class level and useful at one-day international level, but he'd likely be eaten alive in Tests.

 

[Uppercut]

O'Brien is so overrated. An average wicketkeeper-batsman in a sub-average team. Decent at first-class level and useful at one-day international level, but he'd likely be eaten alive in Tests.

You really think he'd average 18 after his first 23 test innings? Don't agree that he's overrated, but even if you do there's no way he's in the same league of horse manure as Rahim.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

You really think he'd average 18 after his first 23 test innings? Don't agree that he's overrated, but even if you do there's no way he's in the same league of horse manure as Rahim.

I didn't say he's not better than Rahim. I just don't think he's as much better as you do. And I don't think he's anywhere Test standard.

O'Brien is also 7 years older than that "manure".

 

[Uppercut]

I didn't say he's not better than Rahim. I just don't think he's as much better as you do. And I don't think he's anywhere Test standard.

O'Brien is also 7 years older than that "manure".

Ah, fair enough. For the purposes of comparing the teams i wasn't considering their ages.

Just to be clear, i'm not saying for a second that Ireland should be given test status- they absolutely, 100% shouldn't. But they're just as deserving of it as Bangladesh, and if they were given it they would probably make a better fist of it than Bangladesh have (they couldn't exactly do worse). The unfounded enthusiasm shown for the Bangladesh test side riles me when we have a better team that doesn't even get a look in.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Ireland may be capable of fighting more in defeat, but the only reason I anticipate they would suffer less defeats than Bangladesh is the Irish weather. And if you're losing, it doesn't matter how good you look doing so.

 

[Uppercut]

Ireland may be capable of fighting more in defeat, but the only reason I anticipate they would suffer less defeats than Bangladesh is the Irish weather. And if you're losing, it doesn't matter how good you look doing so.

Which is exactly why Bangladesh shouldn't be playing tests.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

But that's a Bangladesh issue, nothing Ireland-related.

 

[Uppercut]

But that's a Bangladesh issue, nothing Ireland-related.

I think it's a relevant argument that there are other countries just as capable if not moreso as Bangladesh that don't get special treatment. If they were head and shoulders above every Assosciate nation but not quite up to test standard there'd be more of a case for their inclusion. Or to put it another way, neither should be playing tests, but if Bangladesh are then Ireland should too.

 

[Evermind]

On that note, Everminds first post of equating Irish FCC competiotion to BAN's should also be self defeating.

What? I didn't post any such thing - you're mixing people/posts up. I know next to nothing about Irish FCC, and my interest is even less significant than my knowledge.

 

[Goughy]

Interestingly Bangladesh didnt win a FC game in England on their 2005 tour and since then have not played a FC game on tour.

That cant be good. I think there are 2 primary reasons a) Teams may not want to play a full game against Bang but probably more likely b) They dont play FC so there are no humiliating FC games against weak domestic teams on the record.

 

[Evermind]

The only thing that concerns me about this Bangladesh issue is the inflated averages some bowlers and batsmen end up with after playing against Bangladesh. Yes, I realise that this has always been a problem through the years, when every country except Australia and England has been initiated into the test ranks. Every Asian country and NZ, SA, WI have all been crap when they started out.

However, right now there are several countries vying for test status, and it would make sense to have a 2-tier system, when only matches played in the first tier are classed as "test" matches. Zimbabwe and Bangladesh need to go into tier 2, and regularly play ODIs with the top 8. If they can beat them regularly, maybe they should be promoted. If you can't win ODIs REGULARLY, you have no chance winning a test. Right now it's an embarrassment to both the top 8 and to Bangladesh to go through these perfunctory tours and pretend everyone's enjoying themselves.

Another option is to have the Bangers play the various A teams.

 

[slowfinger]

Bangladesh is a cricket team, no matter how bad they are, have u seen them most of them are in the 20's 22/23/24/25, how could u judge them so brutally

 

[Evermind]

Bangladesh is a cricket team, no matter how bad they are, have u seen them most of them are in the 20's 22/23/24/25, how could u judge them so brutally

Nobody is saying that they're a bad team. They're just not test-class. JP Duminy is 24, and he has humbled the best test team in the world while batting with tailenders. I don't see age as being a factor here at all.

 

[NUFAN]

I didn't say he's not better than Rahim. I just don't think he's as much better as you do. And I don't think he's anywhere Test standard.

O'Brien is also 7 years older than that "manure".

Yes, and plus I think Rahim's keeping is also quite useful.