India's opening pair

[masterblaster]

My sayings always been:

If it aint broke dont fix it.

It can apply to this Indian batting lineup so well.

 

[Richard]

no you responded to my post which clearly states that if yuvraj plays tendulkar should open, so the 3rd option doesnt exist at all.....

Yes and I responded by saying I believe Tendulkar should never open, then added as an afterthought that India's best option long-term is specialist openers.

 

[Richard]

My sayings always been:

If it aint broke dont fix it.

It can apply to this Indian batting lineup so well.

I thoroughly agree that if it ain't broke don't (personally I say "try to") fix it.
I'd argue that it is broken, however, with someone with an average of 28 included. Whatever is happening results-wise, it shouldn't disguise personal failings.

 

[marc71178]

And that average is countered by the time he spends at the crease and the number of runs he helps put on as a partnership.

 

[Richard]

Which many openers have proved capable of for India.
And some of them have also scored more runs.

 

[marc71178]

If that were true, how come the Sehwag-Chopra partnership is far more successful than any other Indian opening pair in a long long time?

 

[Richard]

Because Sehwag's been more successful and scored at a faster pace than any Indian opener for a long, long time.

 

[alexkumar]

sehwag-dinesh Karthik

 

[marc71178]

Because Sehwag's been more successful and scored at a faster pace than any Indian opener for a long, long time.

And how much of that is due to having a reliable partner then?

 

[Waughney]

sehwag-dinesh Karthik

Explain....

 

[tooextracool]

Yes and I responded by saying I believe Tendulkar should never open

and the point ive ben trying to make is that why shouldnt tendulkar open the batting if yuvraj singh is in the side?!most experienced,best technique,certainity vs inexperienced,uncertain middle order player!

 

[Richard]

And how much of that is due to having a reliable partner then?

Not much, I shouldn't think, given that
a) Chopra isn't that reliable, as demonstrated by the fact that a third of his Test innings have ended in single-figures.
and b) he batted with Bangar before then and achieved equal success, albeit only for one series (given that he failed twice when opening with Bangar in England). And Bangar's a similar style batsman to Chopra, if possible even slower.

 

[Richard]

and the point ive ben trying to make is that why shouldnt tendulkar open the batting if yuvraj singh is in the side?!most experienced,best technique,certainity vs inexperienced,uncertain middle order player!

OK, I already answered that - that, I presume, is why you started to make such a fuss about the fact that I suggested something based on the long-term.
I said I don't believe Tendulkar should be forced out of his best position, that he's batted almost nowhere but for his entire career, for the sake of maybe creating a successful middle-order player to replace him.

 

[delkap]

sehwag-dinesh Karthik

Explain

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Oh, I think its another of Alex's daily brainwaves !!
Guess tomorrow it'll be: Hayden and Clarke to open for Aus in tests

 

[tooextracool]

I said I don't believe Tendulkar should be forced out of his best position, that he's batted almost nowhere but for his entire career, for the sake of maybe creating a successful middle-order player to replace him.

yet you are doing the same by batting tendulkar at 4 in ODIS!!
and no he isnt being forced out of position, hes giving someone else a chance to prove himself in the middle order. as i said earlier, tendulkar has a way back to no 4 even if he fails at the top, yuvraj's career might be over if he fails as an opener. but you would rather lose a promising youngster by batting him out of position......

 

[Nate]

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Oh, I think its another of Alex's daily brainwaves !!
Guess tomorrow it'll be: Hayden and Clarke to open for Aus in tests

in all seriousness, it isnt the worst idea...

 

[Waughney]

He's talking about tests not ODI's (where Clarke has opened before)

 

[Nate]

He's talking about tests not ODI's (where Clarke has opened before)

yea i know. im definately not saying to do it, but it wouldnt be too bad really...

 

[Richard]

yet you are doing the same by batting tendulkar at 4 in ODIS!!

No, I've explained why I'm not - Tendulkar has batted at four in ODIs plenty, and has achieved success few have achieved there. Virtually his entire Test-career has been forged at four.
He just happens to have been even more succesful at the top, but neither are "out of position".
The same can be said of Lara, naturally.

and no he isnt being forced out of position, hes giving someone else a chance to prove himself in the middle order. as i said earlier, tendulkar has a way back to no 4 even if he fails at the top, yuvraj's career might be over if he fails as an opener. but you would rather lose a promising youngster by batting him out of position......

And IMO letting Tendulkar continue in his correct place is more important than possibly losing a possibly promising youngster.
If Yuvraj and the selectors are both good enough, his time will come eventually.

 

[tooextracool]

No, I've explained why I'm not - Tendulkar has batted at four in ODIs plenty, and has achieved success few have achieved there. Virtually his entire Test-career has been forged at four.
He just happens to have been even more succesful at the top, but neither are "out of position".
The same can be said of Lara, naturally.

how can you say that he wont be successful opening the batting in tests? if it hasnt been tested than theres no way you can prove that he is going to fail and indeed if he averaged even 15 runs lower at the top as he did at 4 he would still be a success as an opener.

And IMO letting Tendulkar continue in his correct place is more important than possibly losing a possibly promising youngster.
If Yuvraj and the selectors are both good enough, his time will come eventually.

rubbish......yuvraj might just have a very bright future in the indian side while tendulkar is probably past his prime anyways so it makes sense to bat tendulkar at the top where he might even do better than at 4! its better for the team because then everyone else gets to bat in their rightful positions. and even if tendulkar fails at the top he can move back down to 4 any time he wants!can the same be said about yuvraj if he fails at the top??