Indian bowlers

[Pratters]

Zimbabwe got test status in 1990s but India have been playing since their pre-independence days,yet Zimbabwe have already produced a better medium pacer(Heath Streak) than India ever have.I've given up all hopes since the failures of Balaji,Pathan & Nehra in tests.

Really? Amar Singh, Javagal Srinath. Also, Kapil wasn't a fast bowler but was a damn good swing bowler.

That is besides the point I was making though.

 

[BhupinderSingh]

Really? Amar Singh, Javagal Srinath. Also, Kapil wasn't a fast bowler but was a damn good swing bowler.

They were all good medium pacers but when u consider that Heath Streak achieved as much as most of them even after playing for a minnow,he has to be rated as a better bowler than all of them.

 

[Pratters]

They were all good medium pacers but when u consider that Heath Streak achieved as much as most of them even after playing for a minnow,he has to be rated as a better bowler than all of them.

How is the debate who produced a better medium pacer relevant without going into who is better? A lot of people will say Sri Lanka has produced a better spinner in Murali than India ever has. Maybe we should stop discussing Indian spinners as well then by your weird logic.

 

[aussie]

So just because Zimbabwe's history showed they were not an impressive batting side, you wouldn't have analysed the likes of Andy Flower, Goodwin?

You didn't have to analyse who is a real deal or not (just what you thought of each of them) but your remarks show you are treating the topic with a closed mind - a bit silly as I said.

mate you are missing my point, i have judged the current crop of Indian bowlers all i'm saying i'm going to wait a while before i say they are the real deal because only the other day a similar crop i.e Khan, Nehra, Balaji, Pathan were looking just as impressive or even better than the current crop & have faded away rapidly.

 

[open365]

Goughy, have you ever read the fast bowlers bible by Ian Pont?

 

[Pratters]

all i'm saying i'm going to wait a while before i say they are the real deal because only the other day a similar crop i.e Khan, Nehra, Balaji, Pathan were looking just as impressive or even better than the current crop & have faded away rapidly.

Okay cool.

 

[Dravid]

India needs to bring back Zaheer Khan. When this guy gets his line and length, he can be the most dangerous bowler in the team. In my opinion he should be back in the lineup

 

[adharcric]

Well the first step is to call him back for the Challenger Trophy. If he can bowl with pace and venom there, he may well make a comeback. I'm not so sure about an ODI comeback tbh, but IMO our test side should have Munaf, Sreesanth, Zaheer (reserve) and RP Singh (reserve) by next year unless Irfan does something dramatic with the ball.

 

[Dravid]

I believe Irfan is going to come back. He just gone silent for a little while. That kid has potential...he just needs to use it.

 

[adharcric]

I'm confident he'll come back while staying in the team in one-day cricket.
In test cricket, though, he's never really been a huge success (as opposed to ODIs) so he should get dropped at some point if he doesn't step it up soon. After that, the domestic circuit is the way to work his way back and he'll certainly have the support of the management, selectors and captain.

 

[deeps]

Let's look at each bowler, from four points, the way Deano would. Starting with IRFAN PATHAN:

Strengths:

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• Possesses variations in his bowling, and not afraid to bowl the odd bouncer.

How is bowling a bouncer at 120km/hr a possitive?


Afridi showed how useless the Pathan bouncer is numerous times

 

[silentstriker]

How is the debate who produced a better medium pacer relevant without going into who is better? A lot of people will say Sri Lanka has produced a better spinner in Murali than India ever has. Maybe we should stop discussing Indian spinners as well then by your weird logic.

But Indian spinners tend to be decent. Indian pacers tend to be horsecrap (no offense to horse manure, at least it is useful as fertilizer).

 

[shortpitched713]

India needs to bring back Zaheer Khan. When this guy gets his line and length, he can be the most dangerous bowler in the team. In my opinion he should be back in the lineup

I definitely agree with you. Zaheer Khan should be back in both the Test and ODI sides. I think that he is still India's best specialist seamer in Tests.

 

[Pratters]

But Indian spinners tend to be decent. Indian pacers tend to be horsecrap (no offense to horse manure, at least it is useful as fertilizer).

Again, you are acting like a big clown. If you don't want to discuss, get out of the thread.

Cheers.

 

[adharcric]

I definitely agree with you. Zaheer Khan should be back in both the Test and ODI sides. I think that he is still India's best specialist seamer in Tests.

Only if he's fit and bowling at normal pace (mid-80s at least). As long as I don't see Zaheer in action, I'll consider Munaf and Sreesanth as our best specialist seamers in Tests.

 

[honestbharani]

I would seriously question who you take advice from

Seriously though, its essential to bring your weight through in delivery. The falling away aspect you mention is unrelated and a symptom of another problem.

Its the same when you drive the ball when batting. You do not hit the ball by swinging your arms through the line but get your power from leaning into the ball and bringing your weight forward into the ball.

Imagine a ruler being bent back. The further you bend it the more violently it snaps back. Its the same with fast bowling. The more you 'snap' the weight from back to forward the more momentum you can put in the ball.

Apologies to those with dial-up, but just to prove a point

Gough, Weight back ready to explode forward

Botham, Weight back ready to explode forward

Imran, Weight back ready to explode forward

Shoaib, Weight back ready to explode forward

Lee, Weight back ready to explode forward

Dilley, Weight back ready to explode forward

Weight transfer, from back to forward, in the coil and delivery is essential to bowl quick.

lovely post.

 

[honestbharani]

I think SreeSanth and Munaf have a bit of potential, dont see much in RP Singh and Pathan though. Balaji hasn't played a game of cricket in one and a half years. HOw anyone concluded that he was 'trash' from that is still beyond me? Bowlers have come back from injuries in the past, you know......

 

[Dravid]

Only if he's fit and bowling at normal pace (mid-80s at least). As long as I don't see Zaheer in action, I'll consider Munaf and Sreesanth as our best specialist seamers in Tests.

Yea thats the problem with Zaheer...he is never 100% fit. If he gets fit hes going to become a regular for the team again.

 

[marc71178]

So just because Zimbabwe's history showed they were not an impressive batting side, you wouldn't have analysed the likes of Andy Flower, Goodwin?

2 players who both proved themselves in the International game before getting plaudits you mean?

 

[marc71178]

Zimbabwe got test status in 1990s but India have been playing since their pre-independence days,yet Zimbabwe have already produced a better medium pacer(Heath Streak) than India ever have.

I'd debate that - I'd say Kapil is ahead of him.