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[tooextracool]

Talk to me when ICC decides to declare Bangladesh non-test Class. so long as BD have their TEST Status, I will count Pathan's performance against them.

so if the ICC declares a team to be test class it automatically means that they are as good as the rest of the teams is it? get over it, series by series pathan is being proven to be mediocre, and one can only wonder how long 'this potential to greatness because imran said so' will hold.

You are right, Imran Overhyped Inzi, so far Inzi has scored only 18000 internatioal runs in his career. What a Hype.

and that makes him a better test and ODI batsman than tendulkar does it?

Only person who deserves the hype is Greame Hick who scored a massive 7000 International runs and Inzi has a long way to go before he can even come close to those 7000 international runs milestone set by Hick.

and ive said that hick deserved his hype where exactly?

 

[tooextracool]

surely after inzi youhana is pakistans best batsman ?
if he has no talent that doesnt really say a lot for their side does it ?

no hes not, after inzy, its kamal. then you can choose from the 2 Y's.

 

[Richard]

True, I totally forgot about Asim Kamal, not like that's unusual either.
Younis has some way to go before being as good as him.

 

[PAKMAN]

Congrtas to the 51.79% of you who wanted Pakistan to win

 

[astute]

pak won
still needs my vote?????????

 

[PAKMAN]

it was for the non pakistani's and indians

 

[Sanz]

so if the ICC declares a team to be test class it automatically means that they are as good as the rest of the teams is it? get over it, series by series pathan is being proven to be mediocre, and one can only wonder how long 'this potential to greatness because imran said so' will hold.

Good or bad, but I will count in his test average. As for Pathan becoming mediocre series by series, take a look at his series by series performance to make that claim and this time dont exclude Bangladesh, because they are a test team.

and that makes him a better test and ODI batsman than tendulkar does it?

No it just proves that there isn't much difference either and you yourself claim that Tendulkar is the most over rated (Test player) ever, so are you saying that Inzimam is more over rated than Sachin ?

 

[Sanz]

and ive said that hick deserved his hype where exactly?

Read your posts somwhere in the previous pages where you said he deserved some of the hype he got.

 

[marc71178]

Good or bad, but I will count in his test average. As for Pathan becoming mediocre series by series, take a look at his series by series performance to make that claim and this time dont exclude Bangladesh, because they are a test team.

4 @ 66.50
12 @ 28.50
2 @ 84.00
3 @ 29.66
18 @ 11.88
6 @ 68.33

Spot the one series where he played a weak batting line-up.

 

[tooextracool]

Good or bad, but I will count in his test average.

yes because, thats the only way you can even make him look test class, even though you and i both know that hes far from test class ATM.

As for Pathan becoming mediocre series by series, take a look at his series by series performance to make that claim and this time dont exclude Bangladesh, because they are a test team. .

why not? the fact that you have to include a team like bangladesh to make him look good only shows how poor your claim really is.

No it just proves that there isn't much difference either and you yourself claim that Tendulkar is the most over rated (Test player) ever, so are you saying that Inzimam is more over rated than Sachin ?

and by saying that tendulkar is the most overrated player i mean hes completely useless is it? the difference between the 2 was that tendulkar was(for quite a while) considered to be god, 2nd only to bradman etc even though hes merely a good player. inzamam is considered to be a great when hes merely 'good' too. the difference in the gap between what someone is and what hes considered to be is what makes someone more overrated than another. and spot who has the bigger gap.
then again i wouldnt be surprised if you completely ignore this and come up with the same claim again.

 

[tooextracool]

Read your posts somwhere in the previous pages where you said he deserved some of the hype he got.

exactly......SOME OF THE HYPE HE GOT. he didnt deserve ALL the hype he got. pathan didnt deserve any hype that he got, given that hed been rubbish in all forms of the game. Hick had accomplished things that very few players came close to doing in domestic cricket.

 

[Sanz]

4 @ 66.50
12 @ 28.50
2 @ 84.00
3 @ 29.66
18 @ 11.88
6 @ 68.33

Spot the one series where he played a weak batting line-up.

That is anybody's guess but I was responding to TEC's statement :-

"..series by series pathan is being proven to be mediocre"

From the stats you have posted above TEC's above statement is proved wrong.

Thanks for doing the work for me.

 

[sledger]

That is anybody's guess but I was responding to TEC's statement :-

"..series by series pathan is being proven to be mediocre"

From the stats you have posted above TEC's above statement is proved wrong.

Thanks for doing the work for me.

but yet hes their premier hope for a pace bowler, sigh.... laksmipathy balaji, the fate of indian pace bowlers lie in your hands

 

[tooextracool]

That is anybody's guess but I was responding to TEC's statement :-

"..series by series pathan is being proven to be mediocre"

From the stats you have posted above TEC's above statement is proved wrong.

Thanks for doing the work for me.

yet if only you could read, you'd realise that the stats prove me to be right, given that hes had mediocre series after mediocre series except for the series against b'desh. so well done there sherlock.

 

[Sanz]

yes because, thats the only way you can even make him look test class, even though you and i both know that hes far from test class ATM.

IMO he is test class. You should speak for yourself.

why not? the fact that you have to include a team like bangladesh to make him look good only shows how poor your claim really is.

Bangladesh is a test team. like it or not. In the history there always have been weak teams for example richards playing the Lankans or Bradman playing the Indians. When you count the averages of Mcgrath, do yo exclude his record against Zimbabwe ?

and by saying that tendulkar is the most overrated player i mean hes completely useless is it? the difference between the 2 was that tendulkar was(for quite a while) considered to be god, 2nd only to bradman etc even though hes merely a good player. inzamam is considered to be a great when hes merely 'good' too. the difference in the gap between what someone is and what hes considered to be is what makes someone more overrated than another. and spot who has the bigger gap.
then again i wouldnt be surprised if you completely ignore this and come up with the same claim again.

In the above you say tendulkar ' merely a good player' and then about Inzimam you say 'hes merely good too' . Thank You for proving my point.

 

[Sanz]

yet if only you could read, you'd realise that the stats prove me to be right, given that hes had mediocre series after mediocre series except for the series against b'desh. so well done there sherlock.

You said 'series by series Pathan is being proven to be mediocre'. Are you saying the performance in his 2nd, 4th and 5th series are worse than the performance of his 1st series ? If yes then Please tell us how ? If no then You are proved wrong.

 

[tooextracool]

IMO he is test class. You should speak for yourself..

because his average of over 50 speaks for itself doesnt it. hes never had a great series all his career, he hasnt done anything at the domestic level, yet hes test class.

Bangladesh is a test team. like it or not. In the history there always have been weak teams for example richards playing the Lankans or Bradman playing the Indians. When you count the averages of Mcgrath, do yo exclude his record against Zimbabwe ?

yes you do, and when you do that you realise that their test record isnt affected, they are still brilliant batsmen with brilliant records. when you do it with pathan he goes from being average to pathetic. theres a major difference. bangladesh is a test team, yes, it doesnt make them test class.

In the above you say tendulkar ' merely a good player' and then about Inzimam you say 'hes merely good too' . Thank You for proving my point.

what is your point? do you even know what overrated means? do you read my posts at all?

 

[tooextracool]

You said 'series by series Pathan is being proven to be mediocre'. Are you saying the performance in his 2nd, 4th and 5th series are worse than the performance of his 1st series ? If yes then Please tell us how ? If no then You are proved wrong.

no again you prove that you cant read. if i had said 'series by series pathan is being proven to be INCREASINGLY mediocre' then you might have a shot at saying something like that. what i said was that each series is showing him to be the very poor bowler that he is, no less, no more. hes been mediocre from series 1 to the last series.

 

[Sanz]

exactly......SOME OF THE HYPE HE GOT. he didnt deserve ALL the hype he got. pathan didnt deserve any hype that he got, given that hed been rubbish in all forms of the game. Hick had accomplished things that very few players came close to doing in domestic cricket.

What is your fascination with the semantics ?? Either his hype was justified or it was not. Hick performance at International level proved that his hype (some or all of it) was grossly overstated. He was at best mediocre.

His accomplishment against pedestrian bowlers of country means Zilch to me. I have seen 100s of Hicks in Indian domestics cricket to crap at the International level.

 

[tooextracool]

What is your fascination with the semantics ?? Either his hype was justified or it was not.

thats like saying either a player was good or not.....theres always someone in between. ive never claimed that his hype was justified, but if someone told me that hick would be a very good test player, he couldnt have been overhyping him

Hick performance at International level proved that his hype (some or all of it) was grossly overstated. He was at best mediocre.

exactly, but at least for a while he looked like being the real thing, and at least he was destroying county attacks. pathan cant even do that.

His accomplishment against pedestrian bowlers of country means Zilch to me. I have seen 100s of Hicks in Indian domestics cricket to crap at the International level.

yet pathan cant even succeed against pedestrian batsmen at the domestic level.
mind you if you know anything about hick, you would know that he destroyed the same bowlers who troubled him at the international level with absolute ease at the domestic level, and from 93-96 he destroyed nearly every bowling attack that he faced at the international level.