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India lacks BIG hitting all rounder

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alexkumar

Banned
hi,

Ganguly is Captain. So he is indispensible.

Sehwag and Tendulkar is indispensible.

Dravid/yuvaraj/kaif/laxman we need one to drop for All rounder/wicket Keeper (we have to find one).

Out of kaif/yuvaraj/laxman -- laxman is comparatively slow scoring.

So i left out laxman.

later
 
ReallyCrazy

ReallyCrazy

Banned
Sudeep I will tell you why I don't rate laxman much. Its because he's not a RELIABLE player in ODIs. Yea he has scored 5 centuries in the last 9 months or so. Of that 5, 3 came against australia against whom he always does well. Now, it is obviously a really great accomplishment to make big scores against the strongest team but I'm just trying to show he's not reliable. Apart from those 5 centuries, his next highest score during that same period is only 32.

In the OD series against pakistan, he scored a marvellous century in the last match but failed to get above 10 in all the preceding matches.

He has never stuck me as a good OD player. He is very shaky at the start of his innings and is very likely to get bowled.

So I agree with Alexkumar that once a good allrounder is found, laxman will have to go or at least he will have to fight for the place along with kaif.

my batting line up will be:

1. sehwag
2.tendulkar
3.ganguly
4.kaif/laxman
5.dravid
6.yuvraj
7.the allrounder
8.balaji
9.pathan
10.kumble
11.nehra/zaheer

Yes I know I have ignored Ajit Agarkar. A RPO of 5.11 is a disgrace whatever way you look at it. If his SR is 33, it's only because of fluke or because the batters find his bowling so delicious that they take a lot more risks. Also if you discount his first 50 wickets (which he got in a gallop 7 yrs back), you will know what i mean.
 
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biased indian

biased indian

International Coach
alexkumar said:
hi,

Ganguly is Captain. So he is indispensible.

Sehwag and Tendulkar is indispensible.

Dravid/yuvaraj/kaif/laxman we need one to drop for All rounder/wicket Keeper (we have to find one).

Out of kaif/yuvaraj/laxman -- laxman is comparatively slow scoring.

So i left out laxman.

later
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u have started some threads recently stating this and that about the current indian team,and then u post a team with the same players.if they have problems then replace them with some one else.whats the point in having them again in u r team :p :p :p
 
Sudeep

Sudeep

International Captain
ReallyCrazy said:
Sudeep I will tell you why I don't rate laxman much. Its because he's not a RELIABLE player in ODIs. Yea he has scored 5 centuries in the last 9 months or so. Of that 5, 3 came against australia against whom he always does well. Now, it is obviously a really great accomplishment to make big scores against the strongest team but I'm just trying to show he's not reliable. Apart from those 5 centuries, his next highest score during that same period is only 32.

In the OD series against pakistan, he scored a marvellous century in the last match but failed to get above 10 in all the preceding matches.

He has never stuck me as a good OD player. He is very shaky at the start of his innings and is very likely to get bowled.

So I agree with Alexkumar that once a good allrounder is found, laxman will have to go or at least he will have to fight for the place along with kaif.
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Kaif has been tried in the middle order, and he was average.

Compare Kaif's record with Laxman's and you'll know the difference.

If you're saying Laxman isn't a good ODI batsman, it's you opinion, okay. But IMO there isn't a better player to replace him with, especially not Kaif...
 
Sudeep

Sudeep

International Captain
ReallyCrazy said:
Yes I know I have ignored Ajit Agarkar. A RPO of 5.11 is a disgrace whatever way you look at it. If his SR is 33, it's only because of fluke or because the batters find his bowling so delicious that they take a lot more risks. Also if you discount his first 50 wickets (which he got in a gallop 7 yrs back), you will know what i mean.
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Considering the number of wickets he's taken, he's not as big a fluke as Nehra. :p :p :p :p

Zaheer's record in the last 12 months has been dismal, was his intial good performance a fluke too then? :p :p :p :p
 
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alexkumar

Banned
kaif does n't waste balls irrespective of the situation. he runs between the wickets well. he keeps scoring in singles. he reminds me of azaruddin with constant scoring. he does n't put pressure other players to score fast like laxman. with laxman he sometimes score so slow it puts other batsman to go for strokes to score fast.

And one more important thing Kaif is the best fielder India has.

later
 
Sudeep

Sudeep

International Captain
alexkumar said:
kaif does n't waste balls irrespective of the situation. he runs between the wickets well. he keeps scoring in singles. he reminds me of azaruddin with constant scoring. he does n't put pressure other players to score fast like laxman. with laxman he sometimes score so slow it puts other batsman to go for strokes to score fast.

And one more important thing Kaif is the best fielder India has.

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What's this obsession with scoring fast?

As I said earlier, if you're two down within the first 15 overs, you need your #4 to build your innings, rather than score fast. Kaif is not reliable to build an innings. He's good for what you said, scoring run-a-ball, which isn't required by the #4, but by #6 or 7. If Kaif can be as solid as Laxman in building an inning, he would be considered, but reality check - he's not. And it's not as if Laxman is scoring at 50 runs per 100 balls. Even if he's a little slow beginning up, he makes up for it in the latter part of his innings...
 
marc71178

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
ReallyCrazy said:
Yes I know I have ignored Ajit Agarkar. A RPO of 5.11 is a disgrace whatever way you look at it. If his SR is 33, it's only because of fluke or because the batters find his bowling so delicious that they take a lot more risks.
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193 wickets in 127 matches - that is a hell of a lot of flukes.
 
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GermanShepherd

School Boy/Girl Captain
India has a genuine allrounder in Ramesh Powar but for some inexplicable reason, they refuse to try him out -- a poor move IMO.
 
Prince EWS

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
Funny to see you leave out Laxman, when one of your criticisms is:

f you remove Dravid, this indian team is bunch of chokers especially in big occasion.

They got humiliated badly in World Cup and VB series. Still playing with same choker players? why ? why there is no change to adjust for Aussie Team?.
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Now Laxman hardly fits into this! He rises to the occassion and played well in the VB Series.
 
biased indian

biased indian

International Coach
GermanShepherd said:
India has a genuine allrounder in Ramesh Powar but for some inexplicable reason, they refuse to try him out -- a poor move IMO.
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if powar is a genuine alrounder then so is tendulkar sehwag yuvraj dravid pathan etc :D :D
 
marc71178

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
And again, if it's based on domestic stats, it may be the selectors don't rate his technique etc. ?
 
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alexkumar

Banned
ALL ROUNDER IS A PLAYER WHO CAN BE STRIKE BOWLER AND GOOD BATSMAN.

Powar is not a strike bowler.

Infact all indian bowlers sucks except pathan , pathan is still need to develop his body.

Balaji is not good. So is zaheer khan , i see him lost confidence. Nehra is unfit.

The problem with india is , india will never see another KApil Dev for another century until every one start to eat BEEF.

You need stronger muscle in the body to be fast bowler , vegetarian eating Indians can't be fast bowler. That is the reality.

Until India produce Real Spear head fast bowler , India will never be no 1. team in the world.

So stop dreaming.

This Indian Team is best batting line up India ever had. Bowling wise india is below average except kumble.

Parthiv Patel is a proof Indian Selectors are awful and corrupt. They do not pick a deserving talented people. They pick by politics.

All this indian fast bowlers gets tired quick. Not physically fit.

later
 
marc71178

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
alexkumar said:
ALL ROUNDER IS A PLAYER WHO CAN BE STRIKE BOWLER AND GOOD BATSMAN.
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In which case I put it to you that no side in the world has an All Rounder!



alexkumar said:
The problem with india is , india will never see another KApil Dev for another century until every one start to eat BEEF.
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That's a new one on me!
 
biased indian

biased indian

International Coach
alexkumar said:
The problem with india is , india will never see another KApil Dev for another century until every one start to eat BEEF.
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we wasted so many years to find the solution for geting fast bowlers
any one eating beef could become fast bowlers.srinath and prasad didnt eat beef.
and if i am correct pathan and zaheer should have eaten beef and their still not good enough according to u
 
Sudeep

Sudeep

International Captain
alexkumar said:
This Indian Team is best batting line up India ever had. Bowling wise india is below average except kumble.
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Yes, with Laxman in it. Not out of it, as you suggest.
 
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