Imran vs hadlee

[shortpitched713]

Depending on how you define peak, i.e if you cap at 35 Tests, it's basically impossible to beat Imran, in the modern era anyway.

The ones who are the best bets in bowling only is Sydney Barnes from freaking early 1900s. As an all-rounder you are talking about only Grace from the late 1800s. Possibly Sobers as well.

 

[Johan]

I've heard that bit about taking the ball to the dressing room b4. I'll admit i never followed much cricket outside of matches involving WI. But did that really happen??

Mohinder Amarnath claimed that it did happen and the umpires/authorities told him to shut up about it and bat, nobody ever refuted him so I'm inclined to believe it did, Pakistan of the day did not shy away from bluntly toying with Australia and England, I think they would crank it up to 11 against their blood enemies.

regardless, the performances shows his mastery of reverse.

 

[kyear2]

I've heard that bit about taking the ball to the dressing room b4. I'll admit i never followed much cricket outside of matches involving WI. But did that really happen??

There's an article I read a few years ago that spoke to some of the perspectives and conversations by the Indian team.

The umpires made it impossible for India to compete, when the India bowlers hit the pad there was comments about why they even bothered to appeal. It seemed like almost everytime Imran hit the pads the finger was automatic. The tampering hit new levels and the ball when seen was almost unidentifiable as such.

You can also find the same types of stories on India sub forums even from a few years ago.

The thing is that if I could have found this stuff, it couldn't have been hard to find.

 

[subshakerz]

Imran's peak was beyond any player bar Bradman.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Overall they are about as close as is possible for two players to be. They're the third and fourth greatest cricketers ever for me, not sure about the order.

Peak I'd say Imran shades it.

 

[subshakerz]

There's an article I read a few years ago that spoke to some of the perspectives and conversations by the Indian team.

The umpires made it impossible for India to compete, when the India bowlers hit the pad there was comments about why they even bothered to appeal. It seemed like almost everytime Imran hit the pads the finger was automatic. The tampering hit new levels and the ball when seen was almost unidentifiable as such.

You can also find the same types of stories on India sub forums even from a few years ago.

The thing is that if I could have found this stuff, it couldn't have been hard to find.

You can find similar stories for WIs tour of NZ in 79/80.

And both the Indians you paint as innocent and Pakistanis were tampering the whole decade. You can hear accounts of umpires and it wasn't just the Pakistanis.

 

[The Sean]

Depending on how you define peak, i.e if you cap at 35 Tests, it's basically impossible to beat Imran, in the modern era anyway.

The ones who are the best bets in bowling only is Sydney Barnes from freaking early 1900s. As an all-rounder you are talking about only Grace from the late 1800s. Possibly Sobers as well.

Yeah that specific match threshold is a favourable one for Imran because he actually had a run from December 1981 to April 1988 (not counting a couple of Tests where he played but didn't bowl, and of course with a big gap in the middle) which read:

35 Tests - 192 wickets at 16.44. 15 5-fer, 10-fer.

 

[OverratedSanity]

There's going to be kyear types in the future confidently saying they believe Viv was an overrated hack because they saw Pews and Coronis talk about it on the forum.

 

[The Sean]

Overall they are about as close as is possible for two players to be. They're the third and fourth greatest cricketers ever for me, not sure about the order.

Peak I'd say Imran shades it.

Similar for me - let's celebrate both rather than run either of them down. What absolute ****ing uber-greats.

 

[kyear2]

You can find similar stories for WIs tour of NZ in 79/80.

And both the Indians you paint as innocent and Pakistanis were tampering the whole decade. You can hear accounts of umpires and it wasn't just the Pakistanis.

All true, but never once have you said, yeah that wasn't great and it hurt the reputation of the team, nothing like that.

It's always, we weren't the only ones.

Dude it lasted for over a decade.

 

[subshakerz]

Yeah that specific match threshold is a favourable one for Imran because he actually had a run from December 1981 to April 1988 (not counting a couple of Tests where he played but didn't bowl, and of course with a big gap in the middle) which read:

35 Tests - 192 wickets at 16.44. 15 5-fer, 10-fer.

Imran owned the 1980s in a way no cricketer has before or since.

My favorite stat is that he played 16 series that decade and was man of series in 8 of them. That includes series in Eng (twice), Aus, Ind and WI when there were many ATGs on the opposite end.

Against the no.1 side WI, he played three series, was man of series in all of them, and took 51 wickets@16.

 

[Johan]

Yeah that specific match threshold is a favourable one for Imran because he actually had a run from December 1981 to April 1988 (not counting a couple of Tests where he played but didn't bowl, and of course with a big gap in the middle) which read:

35 Tests - 192 wickets at 16.44. 15 5-fer, 10-fer.

Bro almost pulled a Barnes, 16.44 for Imran, 16.43 for Barnes

almost

 

[Coronis]

There's going to be kyear types in the future confidently saying they believe Viv was an overrated hack because they saw Pews and Coronis talk about it on the forum.

Ooh I do hope I inspire some young Gen Alpha cricket fan to appreciate the finer things in test cricket.

 

[shortpitched713]

Bro almost pulled a Barnes, 16.44 for Imran, 16.43 for Barnes

almost

Yeah, on the one hand though Barnes didn't even reach the 35 Test threshold of Imran. But yeah Barnes was also an absolute freak. Look out for a thread on him.

 

[DrWolverine]

Overall they are about as close as is possible for two players to be. They're the third and fourth greatest cricketers ever for me, not sure about the order.

Peak I'd say Imran shades it.

For me Hadlee is the third best cricketer.
As a bowler I would say he is the 2nd or even the best

 

[subshakerz]

All true, but never once have you said, yeah that wasn't great and it hurt the reputation of the team, nothing like that.

It's always, we weren't the only ones.

Dude it lasted for over a decade.

You are falsely claiming I said that it was all clean. I never said that. You should take back those statements.

 

[Johan]

I recently made Hadlee 4th among Cricketers

 

[subshakerz]

My minor quibble with Hadlee is that he didn't excel against WI when he toured there.

Hadlee is underrated a cricketer but Imran to me is certainly better.

 

[DrWolverine]

I recently made Hadlee 4th among Cricketers

Don?
Sobers?
Hobbs?

 

[OverratedSanity]

I recently made Hadlee 4th among Cricketers

I'm sure he'll be elated to hear the news