Imran Khan vs Richard Hadlee

[Prince EWS]

Marshall could bat and should have been closer to Hadlee, just didn't apply himself the same way and tbh had less occasions that required the serious match saving knocks

Was a lot closer to Hadlee with the bat in county cricket iirc.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Just out of interest, do you consider Wasim a better cricketer than McGrath?

Akram better bowler better batsman better fielder.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Imran no doubt also gets some points for winning a world cup, especially given it was down under.

I dont consider captaincy to rate a cricketer..
If we include ODIs, Hadlee wins easily.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Who is the better cricketer? I expect a close contest.

Hadlee = Mcgrath + 30 batting avg
Imran =Donald + 33 batting avg

Hadlee for me. ( better fielder too)

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

McGrath and Pollock aren’t close as bowlers. McGrath was the better cricketer.

Yes.
If it was Donald with 30 batting avg, he would be competing against Hadlee and Imran in this poll.

 

[Swamp Witch Hattie]

Was a lot closer to Hadlee with the bat in county cricket iirc.

from the ACS cricket archive (was not allowed to post the links):

Marshall's stats for Hampshire:

210 matches
5847 runs at 25.20, 5 100s, 26 50s, 76 catches
826 wickets at 18.64, 45 5WI, 7 10WM

Hadlee's stats for Notts:

148 matches
5854 runs at 38.76, 11 100s, 29 50s, 105 catches
622 wickets at 14.51, 38 5WI, 5 10WM

The green tops at Notts would have helped Hadlee's bowling average but not his batting average.

This is what stood out for me: Marshall and Hadlee scored almost exactly the same number of runs for their counties, 5847 versus 5854, Hadlee winning by just 7 runs!!!

 

[subshakerz]

Hadlee = Mcgrath + 30 batting avg
Imran =Donald + 33 batting avg

Hadlee for me. ( better fielder too)

Imran is better than Donald. Hadlee doesnt have a 30 average at all. This is just distorting things to make a closer comparison.

 

[smash84]

Imran is better than Donald. Hadlee doesnt have a 30 average at all. This is just distorting things to make a closer comparison.

Yeah, PFK suggests that Wasim's average would have been 18 if he had better fielders.

You can't argue with that kind of faith

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Imran

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Imran is better than Donald. Hadlee doesnt have a 30 average at all. This is just distorting things to make a closer comparison.

Donald > Imran
Hadlee > Mcgrath
Hadlee Better Fielder

Hadlee played for a weaker team, that affected his numbers, i always consider him as a 30 avg batsman. He averaged 31+ for 12 years anyway.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Yeah, PFK suggests that Wasim's average would have been 18 if he had better fielders.

You can't argue with that kind of faith

There are people who think Ponting saved 15 runs a match ( besides Catches and Run outs), what they are indirectly saying is without Ponting Mcgrath avg would be 25+ ( Warne 30 avg ).

 

[subshakerz]

Donald > Imran
Hadlee > Mcgrath
Hadlee Better Fielder

Hadlee played for a weaker team, that affected his numbers, i always consider him as a 30 avg batsman. He averaged 31+ for 12 years anyway.

Why don't you apply those standards for Imran? He averages 45 plus for 12 years. And I never heard of bumping up an average just because someone plays for a weaker team.

Donald aint a better bowler than Imran.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Akram averaged 21 for 10 years.
What is the point of having better fielders if they dont collectively saves 10 runs in an innings ? ( actually they can save 100 runs or more just by a great catch ).

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Why don't you apply those standards for Imran? He averages 45 plus for 12 years. And I never heard of bumping up an average just because someone plays for a weaker team.

Donald aint a better bowler than Imran.

Imran's batting numbers are the result of not outs and playing as specialist batsman

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Donald stats are better than Imran's even though Donald played in a more batting friendly era and he missed few years in his 20s due to obvious reasons.
With a proper start, he would have been Steyn league IMO.

 

[subshakerz]

Imran's batting numbers are the result of not outs and playing as specialist batsman

Really? So not outs for you count for a 15 pt plus average difference in that period, plus several more tons? Come on your fooling yourself.

 

[subshakerz]

Donald stats are better than Imran's even though Donald played in a more batting friendly era and he missed few years in his 20s due to obvious reasons.
With a proper start, he would have been Steyn league IMO.

Donald played on greentops in the best pace bowling era. If you're just going to make up stuff best we don't debate.

 

[Coronis]

Marshall could bat and should have been closer to Hadlee, just didn't apply himself the same way and tbh had less occasions that required the serious match saving knocks

Coulda shoulda woulda

Thats on him for not applying himself. A certain West Indies batsman could probably have been a clear #2 behind Bradman if he’d applied himself the way his Indian contemporary did.

 

[kyear2]

from the ACS cricket archive (was not allowed to post the links):

Marshall's stats for Hampshire:

210 matches
5847 runs at 25.20, 5 100s, 26 50s, 76 catches
826 wickets at 18.64, 45 5WI, 7 10WM

Hadlee's stats for Notts:

148 matches
5854 runs at 38.76, 11 100s, 29 50s, 105 catches
622 wickets at 14.51, 38 5WI, 5 10WM

The green tops at Notts would have helped Hadlee's bowling average but not his batting average.

This is what stood out for me: Marshall and Hadlee scored almost exactly the same number of runs for their counties, 5847 versus 5854, Hadlee winning by just 7 runs!!!

They both could bat, Hadlee obviously better and Maco just didn't take it as seriously. But alas, can only go based on what they did.
But Hadlee definely better with the bat.

 

[kyear2]

Coulda shoulda woulda

Thats on him for not applying himself. A certain West Indies batsman could probably have been a clear #2 behind Bradman if he’d applied himself the way his Indian contemporary did.

Never said it wasn't.