PlayerComparisons
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Two best bowlers from the subcontinent
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Imran Khan vs Muttiah Muralitharan
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subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Imran. Top pacers > top spinners
sayon basak
International Debutant
Imran Khan averaged below 30 in every country he played. His worst average is in Australia where he took 45 wickets @28 in 13 matches. Murali failed horribly in Australia.
Still going for murali.
Still going for murali.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Murali also failed in India.
Also Imran didn't even bowl in several of those Aussie games. He played as a bat.
Coronis
International Coach
So Murali was a better bowler then cos Imran couldn’t bowl.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
You mean getting injured removes points? You ever mention that for Steyn?
It's not Imran's fault that he was good enough as a cricketer that if he couldn't bowl he could still justify being in the team.
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shortpitched713
International Captain
Murali an easy top 5 all time for mine. Imran just outside that.
kyear2
International Coach
Not 100% sure where I place Murali tbh, especially in relation to Steyn and Warne, but yeah, ahead of Imran
HouHsiaoHsien
International Debutant
I also take WSC into consideration and Imran was superb in Aus during that. Imran is in my top 5 test bowlers, and nearly tied for 4th.
HouHsiaoHsien
International Debutant
Opposite for me I guess
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Would like to know your logic since you're so particular on away records, and Murali averages 27 (28 without minnows) away and is quite bad in the strongest countries.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
To me it is quite straightforward. Any ATG pacer who is tested in various countries and without a serious gap in his record is by default better than even the greatest of spinners, simply based on the limitations inherent in the latter.
That excludes Imran, Ambrose and Steyn but not someone like Lillee. Trying to pigeonhole Warne and Murali between them seems arbitrary to me.
The spinner limitations include inability to conquer elite players on spin and reduced efficiency on 1st day pitches, the most critical times for setting up games.
I will grant that Warne and Murali have cases based on sheer longevity of output though compared to pacers.
That excludes Imran, Ambrose and Steyn but not someone like Lillee. Trying to pigeonhole Warne and Murali between them seems arbitrary to me.
The spinner limitations include inability to conquer elite players on spin and reduced efficiency on 1st day pitches, the most critical times for setting up games.
I will grant that Warne and Murali have cases based on sheer longevity of output though compared to pacers.
smash84
The Tiger King
Wait, Murali is not ahead of Warne, despite Warne averaging more than 25 overall (and not ATG) according to your definition.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Longevity only works if you can replicate baseline worldclass performance. They can't though.
kyear2
International Coach
Really not even deserving of a serious response.
smash84
The Tiger King
Why? Because your double standards are getting exposed?
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
He has a different set of standards for every player he assesses.