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Imran Khan vs Curtley Ambrose
- Thread starter Migara
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Migara
International Coach
And that too he averaged better than a certain spinner.
Migara
International Coach
Looking at the umpiring in SL's 95-96 tour - the thick edges to first slip not being given - That would take some doing.
Migara
International Coach
Australia took the kead in 1996. It toom them another 5 - 6 years to become as good as WI team of 80s. Ambrose never bowled to this Aussie side.Dude, Pakistan were the goodish side because of their bowling, not batting. I'm a little confused though, you literally said Australia were the best from 95 onwards. But then you also said Ambrose never bowled against Australia from mid 2000 which was the best. ????. Anyway, Ambrose excelled vs the best batting lineup of his time (Australia) where his contemporaries failed time and time again.
And the first assumption is not true at all. Pakistan had a monster batting lineup during this time. So was West Indies. When they met each other both sides lost about 10 runs average from their usual performances.
Migara
International Coach
Indian spinners were demolished by Pakistanis in 80s. It would have needed Gavaskar to score 200s after 200s to compensate it.
Slifer
International Captain
Listen, any body with any semblance of understanding about cricket will agree that from 1995 til about 2007, Australia were the best team in world cricket. Ambrose played them in 3 series and was excellent throughout. The team he dominated in 1992-93 was also very very good. Please let this go!!
Gob
International Coach
What Migara suggesting I suppose is the dominant Aust team after Gilchrist's arrival to which Curtley did not bowl to. He would have dominated them if he did though. He just bowled that length Aust batsmen hate
06 Ponting vs 92 Ambrose at Brisbane/Perth would have been a contest and a half
Slifer
International Captain
Gob
International Coach
Hey I wasn't agreeing with what migara was throwing in to the discussion just trying to understand his POV. Aust became no 1 as you said from 95 and Curtley played I believe 13 tests against them. Don't know what his record against them in that time but I definitely remember him bowling really well
Slifer
International Captain
Here you go:
Bowling records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com
Gob
International Coach
Very very impressive against the best side in the world.Here you go:
Bowling records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com
stats.espncricinfo.com
You were right
Bahnz
Hall of Fame Member
I'd say Australia were probably the overall best side in the world from the time that Warne really gut gud (so basically the '93 Ashes onwards). Was admittedly fairly marginal, all of WI, Pakistan, SA and Australia were strong sides who had the capability to beat each other on their day and this would continue to be the case until the late 90's.
Gob
International Coach
If you go to extreme origins, 89 ashes was prob the turning point and they kept getting better and better there onwards. Some classic Aust sides since Warne's debut too like
Taylor
Slater
Boon
Waugh Jr
Border
Waugh Sr
Healy
Warne
McDermott
Hughes
Breece Rude/Fleming/Reiffel
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Gob
International Coach
Yeah it's hard to argue a team that has not lost a series for 15 years as anything other than the best in the world although the dynasty was on it's way down. Also make sence why Border smash a ball to the ground from the dressing room when WI won in Adelaide by two runs in 92/93 was it. Could have given Estraya the series
Bahnz
Hall of Fame Member
Tbf, they were 2 runs away from beating them in Aus in 1993, and that was before Warne became a regular in the side. Would prefer to say that 1995 was the point at which Australia's supremacy became undeniable.
Migara
International Coach
Listen, anyone with even a bit of semblance would agree Australia of 95-2000 was no where close to West Indies of 1981-1992. Australia only got in to that mode post 2001. Before that they were obliterated in the sub continent. West Indies of 80s never underwent such results. So once again, Australia that Ambrose bowled to was no where as dominant to West Indies that Imran bowled to. Please let this go!!
Migara
International Coach
You can go round and round, but Imran average 21.8 against a team who never lost a series for one and half decade. And as the captain he never lost a series to the them as well. Nothing, compares to that performance, unless it has come against Australia 2001 - 2011 period or against Bradman's team or knocking Bradman cheaply multiple times.
SillyCowCorner1
Moooo
Wow, today I learn that Imran Khan is the greatest bowler of all time.
Respect.
Respect.
sunilz
International Regular
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Now Ambrose is being penalised for not playing against Aus peak side(99-07).
And I thought the reason Aus became such a good side because they never had to face bowlers like Ambrose in 99-07.
There is absolutely no doubt that Ambrose is the best bowler to tour AUS in last 3 decades iirc.
Now Ambrose is being penalised for not playing against Aus peak side(99-07).
And I thought the reason Aus became such a good side because they never had to face bowlers like Ambrose in 99-07.
There is absolutely no doubt that Ambrose is the best bowler to tour AUS in last 3 decades iirc.