If you had to pick one player...

[Richard]

I have actually seen Sanford, I saw a few deliveries he bowled in the 2002 season, on ICC Cricket World.
Not enough to make a decent judgement, though, fair enough. But surely you can judge on what appears to have happened in the past, even if you've not seen it?

 

[Richard]

mate have you seen his doosra. he bowls that with a bloody straight arm. no bend in the elbow. i think murali is bulls****ing about that elbow thing

And so are the doctors who said his elbow can only be straightened to about 160 degrees, presumably?
And I've never seen Murali bowl a doosra; a leg-break-to-the-right-hander and a top-spinner, but not a doosra. And I have seen both of these deliveries and the arm is no straighter than the off-break-to-the-right-hander. Because it can't get any straigher than that, it's been proven.

 

[Neil Pickup]

hes pictorial evidence shgowing that he is a chucker and ill get back to you on the other one http://www-aus.cricket.org/perl/picture.cgi/048022

That's evidence of him bowling with a straight arm?!

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

I have actually seen Sanford, I saw a few deliveries he bowled in the 2002 season, on ICC Cricket World.
Not enough to make a decent judgement, though, fair enough. But surely you can judge on what appears to have happened in the past, even if you've not seen it?

I haven't seen Sanford bowl in a while, but he bowled well in all but 2 of his Tests to date and I've heard that his control has improved. That said, I'll have to wait until tomorrow to further comment.

 

[pontingrulz]

na that picture was of him bowling .. i mean chucking his off break. cant find one of his doosra yet

 

[pontingrulz]

As Derek Pringle, the former England cricketer, wrote: "It seems as if Muralitharan bowls the doosra with a straight elbow, which is one in the eye for the University of Western Australia."

quoted from http://foxsports.news.com.au/story/0,8659,8094407-23212,00.html

 

[marc71178]

Perhaps this thread should be renamed - "If you had to pick on one player..." ?

 

[Neil Pickup]

na that picture was of him bowling .. i mean chucking his off break. cant find one of his doosra yet

That shows that he bowls with a bent elbow. Your point?

 

[Tom Halsey]

I personally believe he chucks. But that picture proves nothing, apart from your need for glasses. :P

 

[pontingrulz]

if you read my post on the picture it says hes pictorial evidence showing that he is a chucker. i couldnt find the evidence of him bowling with a straight elbow. which in term relates to your need for glasses

 

[marc71178]

if you read my post on the picture it says hes pictorial evidence showing that he is a chucker.

1 picture CANNOT show if someone throws or not since throwing is an action, and a picture is a still shot.

Therefore unless you can release a video that contradicts everything that scientific experts have found with regards to Murali's action, I suggest that you have no evidense...

 

[Tom Halsey]

...and I think you need glasses...

 

[marc71178]

...and I think you need glasses...

Well, seeing as I am extremely short-sighted and wear glasses, I'd have to agree :P :P :P

But whether I need glasses or not is irrelevant to the fact that a still shot can never prove what happens during a motion.

 

[Neil Pickup]

Well, seeing as I am extremely short-sighted and wear glasses, I'd have to agree :P :P :P

But whether I need glasses or not is irrelevant to the fact that a still shot can never prove what happens during a motion.

I bet I'm shorter-sighted.

Anyway, all that picture shows is that he bowls with a bent arm -completely legal. If it was straightened at the point of release, then it's a chuck, which it doesn't - I haven't seen the leg-break so can't comment here - and if it stays bent all the way through it's fine.

 

[marc71178]

I bet I'm shorter-sighted.

I wouldn't be so sure...

 

[Neil Pickup]

I wouldn't be so sure...

-6.75 left and -7.50 right
(was -7.25 and -8.25 respectively last year)

 

[marc71178]

Lenses are about half an inch thick in places - can't remember my readings.

 

[Tom Halsey]

Well, seeing as I am extremely short-sighted and wear glasses, I'd have to agree :P :P :P

That was actually directed to Pontingrulz - but maybe you to need glasses.:P :P

 

[marc71178]

That was actually directed to Pontingrulz - but maybe you to need glasses.:P :P

Either way, it wasn't really necessary was it.

 

[Richard]

As Derek Pringle, the former England cricketer, wrote: "It seems as if Muralitharan bowls the doosra with a straight elbow, which is one in the eye for the University of Western Australia."

quoted from http://foxsports.news.com.au/story/0,8659,8094407-23212,00.html

It seems so, does it? To him, presumably. It doesn't seem so to me.