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If Virat Kholi wins a 2nd 50 over world cup he will be the goat

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Ali TT

International Vice-Captain
So where does this leave him now? Or, you know, is it more the case that in a team sport, sometimes even a great individual can end up on the losing side.
 
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HouHsiaoHsien

International Debutant
Ali TT said:
So where does this leave him now? Or, you know, is it more the case that in a team sport, sometimes even a great individual can end up on the losing side.
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I mean he did dominate the WC, and stood up in both the SF and F. So shouldn't harm his case, although id swap this(and I bet all Indian posters here would too) with a WC win instead
 
Burgey

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I still have Viv as the best ODI batsman I've seen but man, Kohli is only minutely shaded by him. His record is insane, and his KO stage of this WC was also really good. Just needed a bit more form his team mates to get him over the line and his record would be beyond compare really.
 
Owzat

Owzat

U19 Captain
centurymaker said:
Run scoring has increased by upto 30% in One Day Cricket, so you can't compare raw stats.
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exactly

Sachin was in England in the 1990 Test series back when run rates weren't 3s and 4s nearly as often, and back in the early 90s an ODI total of 250 was fairly defendable so you didn't need to score at a run a ball chasing or posting 300+ , something mid 70s to mid 80s was adequate

and in spite of that he still scored fairly quickly at times, of course the other key factor is you don't need to score at a run a ball if the chase isn't a run a ball

and there's much more of a recent trend to having "good batting pitches", lifeless for bowlers, paradise for batsmen with short boundaries making for the farce that is tournament six counting

didn't put on a big impressive score in a World Cup final but then neither did Kohli in two attempts, I guess if we measure greatness by such things Gambhir trumps both - his 97 in 2011 final more runs than Kohli in 2011 and 2023 (35 and 54)


and not sure if you can label him a GOAT if we extend that to SFs in 2015 and 2019 when he made 1 and 1..... four crunch games and he returned 91 runs @ 22.75 average........ (and India won just one out of four) Is akin to scoring goals for fun in qualifying and the group stages and early knockouts of a football tournament and barely scoring when you get to the crunch games, that decide finalists or winners
 
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HouHsiaoHsien

International Debutant
Owzat said:
exactly

Sachin was in England in the 1990 Test series back when run rates weren't 3s and 4s nearly as often, and back in the early 90s an ODI total of 250 was fairly defendable so you didn't need to score at a run a ball chasing or posting 300+ , something mid 70s to mid 80s was adequate

and in spite of that he still scored fairly quickly at times, of course the other key factor is you don't need to score at a run a ball if the chase isn't a run a ball

and there's much more of a recent trend to having "good batting pitches", lifeless for bowlers, paradise for batsmen with short boundaries making for the farce that is tournament six counting

didn't put on a big impressive score in a World Cup final but then neither did Kohli in two attempts, I guess if we measure greatness by such things Gambhir trumps both - his 97 in 2011 final more runs than Kohli in 2011 and 2023 (35 and 54)


and not sure if you can label him a GOAT if we extend that to SFs in 2015 and 2019 when he made 1 and 1..... four crunch games and he returned 91 runs @ 22.75 average........ (and India won just one out of four) Is akin to scoring goals for fun in qualifying and the group stages and early knockouts of a football tournament and barely scoring when you get to the crunch games, that decide finalists or winners
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Nah Kohli’s effort in this final far outdoes anything SRT did in a final. He laid down a platform for Rahul, Iyer and Jaddu to stretch the scores to 270-270
 
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DriveClub

International Regular
Owzat said:
exactly

Sachin was in England in the 1990 Test series back when run rates weren't 3s and 4s nearly as often, and back in the early 90s an ODI total of 250 was fairly defendable so you didn't need to score at a run a ball chasing or posting 300+ , something mid 70s to mid 80s was adequate

and in spite of that he still scored fairly quickly at times, of course the other key factor is you don't need to score at a run a ball if the chase isn't a run a ball

and there's much more of a recent trend to having "good batting pitches", lifeless for bowlers, paradise for batsmen with short boundaries making for the farce that is tournament six counting

didn't put on a big impressive score in a World Cup final but then neither did Kohli in two attempts, I guess if we measure greatness by such things Gambhir trumps both - his 97 in 2011 final more runs than Kohli in 2011 and 2023 (35 and 54)


and not sure if you can label him a GOAT if we extend that to SFs in 2015 and 2019 when he made 1 and 1..... four crunch games and he returned 91 runs @ 22.75 average........ (and India won just one out of four) Is akin to scoring goals for fun in qualifying and the group stages and early knockouts of a football tournament and barely scoring when you get to the crunch games, that decide finalists or winners
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If you include 2015 & 2019 SF why not include 2023 SF 100?
 
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