If Headley and G Pollock are considered ATGS, does Adam Voges have an argument?

[TheJediBrah]

A very dangerous hypthesis. There are guys like Sangakkara who average late 30s in FC, but piled when they played tests.

Exactly, not ATG standard

 

[Gob]

Exactly, not ATG standard

Filed to log out of Himan account i see

 

[Himannv]

Finally there are more people seeing the light.

 

[Line and Length]

Headley and Pollock have been put on pedestals for different reasons.

Headley was called the "Black Bradman" and was so far ahead of his West Indies peers as to be ranked in a class of his own.
Pollock has a certain "What if?" quality about him in that it's common to speculate what he might have achieved had in not been for the ban on South Africa. To an extent, the same could apply to Barry Richards and Mike Procter.

Voges was just a very good player who enjoyed a purple patch.

 

[mr_mister]

Finally there are more people seeing the light.

About Voges being atg?

 

[Raz0r6ack]

Michael Hussey should've retired after 20 Tests. Jimmy Adams and Jonathan Trott as well.

I feel if Hussey had never played again after averaging 85 in his first 20 Tests due to unforseen circumstances then he would probably be held in a higher light then what he currently is.

He simultaneously was averaging over 80 in both Test and ODI cricket during the first few years of his International career.

He was phenomenal from 2005-2008.

 

[_00_deathscar]

Yea then there's guys like Ramprakash and Hicks and co who obviously didn't get that early start they needed - but I don't think FC record for count for that much.

The truth is that these players didn't play enough tests for whatever reason.

 

[SpinBin]

He piled on the runs against a poor west indies side, average in england and not much else really. Plundered 260 odd vs NZ but they were probably 6th in Tests at the time.


So no.

 

[Migara]

The last is hardly relevant: SA only played against Australia, England and NZ back then.

Also, I don't know if Sangakkara's FC average was late 30s at some point, but it was 52 at the end of his career.

That is thanks to ridiculous test average he possessed, and the hot seasons he had in UK, instead of playing tests. During his playing days he was not the best club cricketer/ The ones who averaged more in FCC however, failed badly in tests.

 

[JBMAC]

In answer to the question your post asks.............NO

 

[Migara]

and SL FC is hardly the standard we're talking about when you look at Pollock and Headley's FC averages. It was also in an era where FC cricket actually mattered for test locks.

Exactly the case. In low quality SL FCC Sanga averages late 30s. In tests late 50s. He goes to UK county and averaged 60+. Proves my case more.

 

[ataraxia]

Exactly the case. In low quality SL FCC Sanga averages late 30s. In tests late 50s. He goes to UK county and averaged 60+. Proves my case more.

Proves what case?

 

[Gob]

In answer to the question your post asks.............NO

Man got style

 

[Jack1]

I would say yes if he had balanced stats. But he failed against 3 nations out of 5. He averaged 529 vs West Indies and 99 vs NZ. Those stat padded him massively. All test matches mean something important I would agree (hence you have a right to make the thread), but evidently batting like trash (or close to trash) against 3 teams isn't ideal in the slightest considering his overall average and therefore we kind of forced to completely ignore him in serious discussion regardless of anything else. If you remove WI and still keep the monster average vs NZ in there he only averages 41 in 15 matches which gives perspective how much the 529 average vs WI is helping. No doubt those are real nice stats, but perspective kinda destroys them (especially if you try to bring his FC average into the mix, though one could try to argue he is a statistical outlier but it doesn't hold much weight considering what I've now written prior).

 

[Himannv]

Proves what case?

Proves that he's a useless hack.

 

[_00_deathscar]

Proves that he's a useless hack.

Migara? Harsh.