ICC To Get Tough On Racists

[Langeveldt]

It's come to mean that, but I'm 99% certain it originally meant non-believer or heathen.

Anyway, it's certainly an ethnic slur nowadays.

I think it used to be an arabic word meaning non-believer.. But I've never heard it used in that context..

 

[BoyBrumby]

I think it used to be an arabic word meaning non-believer.. But I've never heard it used in that context..

IIRC Ghandi was retrospectively branded a racist because in his writings he referred to black South Africans as "raw Kaffirs" to differentiate them from the educated Indian populace of SA.

A while ago now tho to be fair...

 

[Langeveldt]

IIRC Ghandi was retrospectively branded a racist because in his writings he referred to black South Africans as "raw Kaffirs" to differentiate them from the educated Indian populace of SA.

A while ago now tho to be fair...

Impressive knowlege Brumby

 

[Dravid]

This law should help out future India Pakistan series. After the July 11th blasts in Mumbai, a series in either of the country couldve cause a few problems, but this should lower the amount of trouble, if any, caused in future series between the two countries.

 

[social]

Yeah, that's the one I remember. What's the current thinking about those clowns - expat Saffies or native Aus?

Reality is that a tiny percentage of the Oz population would ever have heard the word k......, let alone b.......

Not defending the individuals, as it happened on Oz soil and precious little was done about it, but it was highly unlikely to have come from anyone other than an SA or someone with recent SA roots.

 

[social]

To some degree I agree with Scaly - this announcement has that feel good quality about it but there are significantly more pressing issues for the game. Unfortunately, they require hard decisions and the ICC has never been very good at taking those.

 

[archie mac]

To some degree I agree with Scaly - this announcement has that feel good quality about it but there are significantly more pressing issues for the game. Unfortunately, they require hard decisions and the ICC has never been very good at taking those.

Whenever the ICC try to become tough, certain countries (depending on the issue) jump up and down and threaten to leave the ICC, which is then forced to back down.

And I am talking about all countries here

 

[silentstriker]

Whenever the ICC try to become tough, certain countries (depending on the issue) jump up and down and threaten to leave the ICC, which is then forced to back down.

And I am talking about all countries here

I don't think I've ever heard this. Its an empty threat. Every single country needs the income from the other countries to survive, even the 'Big Three' (England, India, Australia). Though India may pretend otherwise, and England/Aus may not admit it, they need each other or their domestic competition (and their international outfits) would suffer greatly. A lot of money is made from television contracts, the value of which would go down significantly without the amount of competition.

If you leave the ICC, your million dollar salaries, your support staffs numbering in double digits, your high quality domestic competition, all that would go out the window (and this is true for everyone). Some countries like WI, SL, etc need money more than others, but none of them could operate at the level they are now without the ICC.

And every year that goes by, they become more and more interconnected, so the threat becomes more and more meaningless. It's not much of a threat now.

 

[Slow Love™]

I don't see why having a stronger policy on racism at the ground should be conditional on other things being addressed. If we identify serious problems in the game or in the crowds, I think we can just tackle them as we normally would.

The point of such a policy is to make it clear that this kind of abuse is unacceptable. People might laugh, but you would be amazed at how many people seem to think that racial abuse is on the table in terms of getting a rise out of people or abusing players at sporting events, by people who otherwise might not behave in the same way in other contexts.

The only thing that really bothers me about this report is the idea that venues could lose their international status if the crowds are persistently abusive in this manner. IMO, you police this as best you can on a case by case level - if that means stronger penalties or people getting thrown out, I'm fine with that (we do it for drunkenness anyway). But this guff about not playing international matches has to be a lot of hot air. The only way that will ever be policed (if it ever is) will be at very minor grounds. It'll never be applied to a ground like say, the MCG. And IMO, it shouldn't - why should everybody else in the state be unable to go to a test or ODI because of a few racist jerkoffs?

 

[Johnners]

The only thing that really bothers me about this report is the idea that venues could lose their international status if the crowds are persistently abusive in this manner. IMO, you police this as best you can on a case by case level - if that means stronger penalties or people getting thrown out, I'm fine with that (we do it for drunkenness anyway). But this guff about not playing international matches has to be a lot of hot air. The only way that will ever be policed (if it ever is) will be at very minor grounds. It'll never be applied to a ground like say, the MCG. And IMO, it shouldn't - why should everybody else in the state be unable to go to a test or ODI because of a few racist jerkoffs?

Spot On!!

If security/police are pulling people up for racial abuse of players, they alone should be punished there and then, and let the rest of the public enjoy the game. If a major ground in any country was to lose it's international status because of a select few imbeciles cricket would be the loser!

 

[archie mac]

I don't think I've ever heard this. Its an empty threat. Every single country needs the income from the other countries to survive, even the 'Big Three' (England, India, Australia). Though India may pretend otherwise, and England/Aus may not admit it, they need each other or their domestic competition (and their international outfits) would suffer greatly. A lot of money is made from television contracts, the value of which would go down significantly without the amount of competition.

If you leave the ICC, your million dollar salaries, your support staffs numbering in double digits, your high quality domestic competition, all that would go out the window (and this is true for everyone). Some countries like WI, SL, etc need money more than others, but none of them could operate at the level they are now without the ICC.

And every year that goes by, they become more and more interconnected, so the threat becomes more and more meaningless. It's not much of a threat now.

I posted on this forum once about 'operation snow' and there have been lots of incidents: the Test going ahead after Tendulkar was in trouble in SA.

Shoaib allowed to bowl again after being banned

Arjuna beating a fine after threating to take the whole matter to court etc etc etc

 

[silentstriker]

I posted on this forum once about 'operation snow' and there have been lots of incidents: the Test going ahead after Tendulkar was in trouble in SA.

Shoaib allowed to bowl again after being banned

Arjuna beating a fine after threating to take the whole matter to court etc etc etc

I'd be interested to see the final report made via Operation Snow. I know what it was - but I don't see how the countries could survive on current form. Meaning, I don't see how they could survive without making MASSIVE cuts at all levels of the game. Is the report online somewhere or is it still classified?

The reason such operations will never be put into action is just that - countries will never willingly downgrade their incoming funds. And in this case, they would be decreasing their funds by a significant margin (both sides would).

I think it was WI-Aus-Eng-NZ that the report concerned. There is no way in hell that WI would be able to go on current form. They are almost bankrupt now. Australia and England would be slightly better off, due to their domestic cometitions (especially England), but they would be a shadow of their former selves. They would have to cut everything from salaries to coaching positions, etc as the television revenue would decrease.

On the other side, SL wouldn't survive in current form. India/Pakistan might, but they'd be pretty worse off, as their domestic competitions are no where near as popular as England.

So in the end, everyone would be worse off. The only happy people might be a few jingoistic officials, and maybe some fans.

It ain't happening.

 

[archie mac]

I'd be interested to see the final report made via Operation Snow. I know what it was - but I don't see how the countries could survive on current form. Meaning, I don't see how they could survive without making MASSIVE cuts at all levels of the game. Is the report online somewhere or is it still classified?

The reason such operations will never be put into action is just that - countries will never willingly downgrade their incoming funds. And in this case, they would be decreasing their funds by a significant margin (both sides would).

I think it was WI-Aus-Eng-NZ that the report concerned. There is no way in hell that WI would be able to go on current form. They are almost bankrupt now. Australia and England would be slightly better off, due to their domestic cometitions (especially England), but they would be a shadow of their former selves. They would have to cut everything from salaries to coaching positions, etc as the television revenue would decrease.

On the other side, SL wouldn't survive in current form. India/Pakistan might, but they'd be pretty worse off, as their domestic competitions are no where near as popular as England.

So in the end, everyone would be worse off. The only happy people might be a few jingoistic officials, and maybe some fans.

It ain't happening.

You can read it in 'Run Out" by Graham Halbish

Well a man named Packer showed it could be done, in the 70s, but I agree they would have to kiss and make up sooner or later. I think it is the threat that has stopped the ICC being tough

 

[Smudge]

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Don't worry - I didn't mean you. Rather, a certain Anil who runs his own forum...

 

[BhupinderSingh]

What did Andrew Hall, Ian Bell and Andrew Flintoff do?

Brett Lee,Kyle Mills & Andrew Hall=Chuckers
Ian Bell=Claimed a catch which he had not taken
Andrew Flintoff=Troubled aussies a lot with reverse swing in the ashes.So,if Pakistanis are considered to be cheats for reverse swing(ball tampering), why he is not?

 

[BhupinderSingh]

Moreover,Waqar Younis has never been reported by any umpire for ball tempering.The rule says that the match referree cannot take any action against the player.If someone is found culprit of doing ball tampering(with proper evidence),the ball has to be changed with 5 runs awarded to the batting team.In 2000,in a tri series(PAK,SA,SRI),referree John Reid decided on himself that Waqar Younis was did ball tampering(he was actually cleaning the ball with fingers/nails rather han doing ball tampering as he was doing all this infront of camera) & imposed a one ODI ban & also deprived him of his match fees.PCB protested against it & John Reid was accused of being racist.ICC felt insult on its referree not familier with the rules of the game on the request of PCB,he was never given a match involving Pakistan to supervise after this incident.So,there isn't any concrete evidence that Waqar Younis ever tampered with he ball.

 

[pasag]

Reality is that a tiny percentage of the Oz population would ever have heard the word k......, let alone b.......

I have known the saying for years now as does everyone I know.

 

[pasag]

(not that I can think of any current Jewish test players, but anyway)

Only ones ever that I can think of were Ali and Adam Bacher. None on the international circuit these days.

 

[maxpower]

chucker and cheat are not racial words, so I guess Murali won't benefit from this...

 

[archie mac]

I have known the saying for years now as does everyone I know.

I must admit I did not know the word before last summer