I believe in Jeetan Patel thread

[DingDong]

we just need to get 200 in front and let jeets take over he ran through the lankans last time he was in the sub cont so there's no reason why he shouldn't be able to do it again

 

[intcricket]

"I believe in Jeetan Patel"

 

[Bahnz]

7 at 35 in the end, though he did miss out on an opportunity to bowl in a second innings of the first test, when conditions would've favored him the most. He also suffered through a heinous run of dropped catches, missed stumpings (admittedly one due to his own ****ing front foot) and close lb shouts. Don't know if he's done enough to stay in the team when Vettori comes back, but he wasn't terrible.

 

[Flametree]

Good points. I'd have liked him to be able to keep the runs down a little better in this test (say what we like about Daniel Vettori, he does tend to prolong the game a bit...), but every bowler deserves decent fielding support. Spinners probably need it even more as it can take them a lot of balls to create the pressure or to set up a batsman for a slight variation, so half-chances tend to come along only every few overs unless the pitch is a minefield, or the bowler is Shane Warne.

Think how much Warne, Murali, and Kumble relied on their slips fielders. Pretty tough for Jeets watching edges disappear off into the distance for four or stumping chances being fumbled.

 

[wellAlbidarned]

Vettori comes back as a specialist bat, Jeets has won me over.

 

[MW1304]

The guy has to stay. You don't see many spinners anywhere in the world perform like that against India in India. Also he did well in county, will be useful against England with recent success on our patch. Espesh with no KP, could trouble some of the younger guys and the lefties.

 

[BackFootPunch]

Definitely gotta stay. He generally performed far better than his figures show and his figures aren't even that bad as it is.

Vettori wouldn't have done anywhere near as well with the ball.

 

[straw man]

Yeah Jeets has definitely earned the two Sri Lankan tests with that second innings bowling and a decent showing in the first test. Probably one of the first times he's ever bowled for NZ where the opposition were already under pressure! Makes a huge difference for a spinner. Taylor and Patel need to work a little bit on getting the field for his bowling right.

 

[Days of Grace]

Vettori will come back into the side, since he is the sacred cow of New Zealand cricket.

So, it looks like Franklin will be looking over his shoulder, even though he top scored in half our innings on this tour.

 

[silentstriker]

He's not a bad spinner - he needs a doosra though.

 

[BackFootPunch]

He's not a bad spinner - he needs a doosra though.

Nah no one 'needs' a doosra. If you can bowl it then great but it's not a requirement to become a class spinner.

He actually needs to turn his stock delivery slightly more if anything. His quicker ball looks decent, hurried Dhoni up with it at least once that I saw.

 

[silentstriker]

Nah these days it's almost a requirement to have long term success. There are exceptions but he's not good enough without it IMO.

 

[BackFootPunch]

Trying to bowl it would be far more detrimental to his success than being one-dimensional. With an action like his, bowling a doosra without a substantial change is nigh on impossible. Hence why there is virtually no one who bowls a doosra AND has a 'classical' action.

Basically, bowling a doosra is ****ing difficult, practically everyone who bowls it chucks it and it has a pretty major impact on your ability to bowl your stock delivery too. Just not worth it for Jeets imo.

 

[benchmark00]

He's not very good at all itbt.

Having said that, he did end with impressive figures against India, so credit where it's due. Deserves a run at it.

Still from what I've seen, decidedly average.

 

[benchmark00]

Trying to bowl it would be far more detrimental to his success than being one-dimensional. With an action like his, bowling a doosra without a substantial change is nigh on impossible. Hence why there is virtually no one who bowls a doosra AND has a 'classical' action.

Basically, bowling a doosra is ****ing difficult, practically everyone who bowls it chucks it and it has a pretty major impact on your ability to bowl your stock delivery too. Just not worth it for Jeets imo.

Jason krejza bowls khawaja with Doosra - YouTube

 

[BackFootPunch]

Krejza is pretty much the perfect example actually. Why is he mucking around bowling a doosra when he's so inconsistent with his stock ball? That **** could have been anything.

 

[benchmark00]

Krejza is pretty much the perfect example actually. Why is he mucking around bowling a doosra when he's so inconsistent with his stock ball? That **** could have been anything.

Nah he couldn't have been. He just had the aggression aspect of spin bowling. His response to getting hit for six was just launch it higher and higher. On his day he could look like the best in the world, but he plays Russian roulette for a living.


Jeets, on the other hand, has a very poor trajectory and won't trouble many batting line ups in the long term. Good effort to get some reward in India though, no doubt.

 

[BackFootPunch]

Nah he couldn't have been. He just had the aggression aspect of spin bowling. His response to getting hit for six was just launch it higher and higher. On his day he could look like the best in the world, but he plays Russian roulette for a living.


Jeets, on the other hand, has a very poor trajectory and won't trouble many batting line ups in the long term. Good effort to get some reward in India though, no doubt.

Agreed that Krejza's over aggressiveness was as much of an issue as it was a weapon. Still think he could have been awesome though. If he'd been able to rein in his instinct to keep tossing it up more and more and been (quite) a bit more consistent I have no doubt he'd have done far better.

Spin bowling, like all bowling really, is about consistency. Warne, for example, wasn't the best because he had the most/best variations (which he didn't - MacGill ftr), he was the best because he was the most consistent.

Jeets is too inconsistent. Too much short wide stuff. His natural speed possibly is a bit quick but that's less of an issue than his propensity for a couple of **** nuts an over. If he can sort that out he'll do fine; outside of a few batsmen in each of the best batting lineups no one can play decent spin comfortably.

 

[ganeshran]

He should be an automatic selection in the subcontinent with Vettori playing as an all rounder. In england Australia and SA, I doubt he'd be that effective.

 

[Days of Grace]

He should be an automatic selection in the subcontinent with Vettori playing as an all rounder. In england Australia and SA, I doubt he'd be that effective.

Agreed.

Test team for Sri Lanka:
McCullum
Guptill
Williamson
Taylor (c)
Flynn
Vettori
Van Wyk
Bracewell (him scoring runs with Van Wyk will be a huge benefit for our batting lineup)
Southee
Patel
Boult

You can't drop any of the seamers, so Franklin may have to make way. He should probably come back into the side for South Africa, though.