Howz dinesh karthik?

[luckyeddie]

LE..you are gonna have try harder crack this nut

No can do - Richard, for all his stubbornness, is not thick. I've given up and conceded a draw.

 

[Richard]

Oh Boy!!!

You have a lot to learn....

I think us older ones remember how the greatest fast bowling team ever (WI) used to do things.

LE..you are gonna have try harder crack this nut

Has there ever been a side of bowlers who did the same thing session after session, day after day, match after match?
I can't think of any.
So this can be written-off as an anomaly and can be discounted.
Any other examples when it's consistently worked?

 

[Richard]

OK - but watch out for the USB ports - they tend to get stuck in the teeth.

I'm glad I've at least been of use in the le\DD cliche-creation.

No can do - Richard, for all his stubbornness, is not thick. I've given up and conceded a draw.

Happy to do the honourable.

 

[marc71178]

It's all well and good, but what improvement was supposedly made, coinciding with the improvement in figures?

Did you not read what LE posted about the fact that he's actually experienced a similar effect owing to "muscle memory"?

But then again, you probably know more about Ten Pin Bowling than him.

 

[marc71178]

As inconceivable as it might seem, have you actually watched Harmison's bowling? Did you watch it in 2003, or 2002?
He was perceived to be troubling them plenty then, too.

Yes, but the difference was, before he remodelled, he was mixing that odd ball with a loose one - now he doesn't provide that anywhere near as often.

 

[marc71178]

Look, shall we just leave it at let's wait and see for the next 24 months, then see if these poor strokes continue? If so, I might just possibly admit that he might be doing something to cause them.

So 12 months isn't enough now.

Yet in previous cases it has been...

 

[Richard]

Except it's not 12, it's 7.

 

[Richard]

Yes, but the difference was, before he remodelled, he was mixing that odd ball with a loose one - now he doesn't provide that anywhere near as often.

Or maybe it doesn't get put away as often, had you thought of that?
Maybe that Long-Hop-ish ball outside off has the bat thrown at it with less confidence knowing that this bowler is ranked number-one in The World or whatever rubbish.
Rather than it being thumped through the covers with assurance against this novice who clearly can't get me out.

 

[luckyeddie]

Except it's not 12, it's 7.

I think marc's referring to the fact that you are demanding a further 24 months of world class, sorry, luck, for SW-H.

You might be shooting yourself in the foot, because many people are suggesting that the next 12 are the big test (although we have India away to come as well, there are going to be some further cannon-fodder for him to blow away in that second year as well).

 

[Richard]

Did you not read what LE posted about the fact that he's actually experienced a similar effect owing to "muscle memory"?

But then again, you probably know more about Ten Pin Bowling than him.

No, I wouldn't dream of saying as such - I know how to hit the alley and not go down the side in 4 rolls out of 5, and not much more.
And I don't believe the muscle-memory had much effect on his accuracy - I think it improved in the spring of 2003, not the autumn.

 

[luckyeddie]

I think it improved in the spring of 2003, not the autumn.

Nada. He was still falling away, even when he played in Bangladesh.

 

[Richard]

I think marc's referring to the fact that you are demanding a further 24 months of world class, sorry, luck, for SW-H.

You might be shooting yourself in the foot, because many people are suggesting that the next 12 are the big test (although we have India away to come as well, there are going to be some further cannon-fodder for him to blow away in that second year as well).

So we simply ignore the Bangladesh matches - we now seem to be all agreed, in the debate re MacGill, that matches involving them mean nothing if they reverse the general trend (ie if he's been hammered by South Africa, Australia and India).

 

[Richard]

Nada. He was still falling away, even when he played in Bangladesh.

Well I'll bow to you on that one, I wasn't making observations on that and I haven't sufficient footage to make realistic comparison.
But IMO he bowled pretty accurately in Bangladesh, as he had in the final 2 Tests of the South Africa series, and the Zimbabwe ones, and the first 2 Championship matches of the season.

 

[marc71178]

Except it's not 12, it's 7.

Im sure that the Oval Test of last August is 12 months ago...

 

[marc71178]

Or maybe it doesn't get put away as often, had you thought of that?

Convenient that - it can't be because he bowls the loose ball much less frequently, it can only be batsman error for not converting 2 four balls an over that he still clearly bowls

 

[Richard]

Im sure that the Oval Test of last August is 12 months ago...

And it was part of a different trend.
Surely even you cannot be saying that his bowling changed in the middle of that match?
It was part of the trend that Harmison gets good figures at the end of a series then gets a match (or two) against substandard opposition.
Anyways, le says that the problems in his action were still evident to him in the Bangladesh tour.

 

[Richard]

Convenient that - it can't be because he bowls the loose ball much less frequently, it can only be batsman error for not converting 2 four balls an over that he still clearly bowls

2 four-balls an over would me he went for about 6-an-over (given that about 3 in 4 four-balls actually goes for four, plus all the singles that inevitably come in a spell).
Which he never did.
He only normally bowled a four-ball every other over or so, and from what I've watched he often still does - batsmen are simply less keen to punish it now he's got a reputation.

 

[Swervy]

2 four-balls an over would me he went for about 6-an-over (given that about 3 in 4 four-balls actually goes for four, plus all the singles that inevitably come in a spell).
Which he never did.
He only normally bowled a four-ball every other over or so, and from what I've watched he often still does - batsmen are simply less keen to punish it now he's got a reputation.

this is one of your more bizarre theories

 

[Richard]

Why?
Have you honestly never seen a bowler's reputation influence the way a batsman approaches playing him?

 

[marc71178]

So how did he get this reputation then?