How good is Sanga?

[weldone]

And so the debate evolves. Inherent ability vs delivered results. Do you pick the batsman who can reach the level only reserved for geniuses, or do you pick the one who actually scored more runs.

I pick the batsman who can reach the level only reserved for geniuses and also scored more runs, i.e. Tendulkar

 

[honestbharani]

I don't know about PEWS, but retiring now when he's the best batsman in the world will be a selfish act in my opinion. I won't rate Sanga lower for that reason though (not lower than, say, if he continues for 3 more years and averages 38 in that time).

ROFL... How in the blue hell is it selfish? If his heart is into other things than playing international cricket right now, he should be allowed to do that. I am sure we will all make the same choice Sanga is doing if we had a young family and if it was so clear what will be less taxing for the body and mind and yet still be more rewarding financiallly.. Esp. given the fact that his board is one of the worst when it comes to playing its players properly... Seriously, I have seen many things said here but calling a retirement when the player is 37 "selfish" is just something else..


Given that we do not yet have a proper #6, maybe Sachin was "selfish" in retiring at 40 too,, eh?

 

[honestbharani]

I pick the batsman who can reach the level only reserved for geniuses and also scored more runs, i.e. Tendulkar

Trust you to take any post and make it about Tendulkar

 

[weldone]

Selfish is probably a harsh word I agree. But if he retires now, it'll be fair to say that he didn't give his all for the team till he could. And I say the same about all those who decide to retire when they're the best (e.g. Greg Chappell).

 

[weldone]

Trust you to take any post and make it about Tendulkar

O ya, I'm obsessed with the little master

 

[OverratedSanity]

Trust you to take any post and make it about Tendulkar

Er, the thread has a Sanga vs Sachin poll ffs.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Selfish is probably a harsh word I agree. But if he retires now, it'll be fair to say that he didn't give his all for the team till he could. And I say the same about all those who decide to retire when they're the best (e.g. Greg Chappell).

It's a personal decision. Retiring early or late isn't selfish or selfless. that aspect should be kept out of evaluating the decision completely. Now, do I think Tendulkar's decision to keep playing after the home series vs England was the wrong one? Yeah. That doesn't make him selfish. If Sanga retires after the World Cup, do I think it's the wrong decision? Yeah... I think SL need him for another year or so. But even if he retires, that doesn't make him selfish ffs.

 

[weldone]

I conceded selfish is a harsh word for this, but I didn't find a suitable replacement word. English isn't my first language FFS.

 

[honestbharani]

O ya, I'm obsessed with the little master

Nothing wrong with that too... meant it as a funny dig.. nothing serious bro

 

[honestbharani]

Er, the thread has a Sanga vs Sachin poll ffs.

Yeah but I thought the discussion had evolved to a more general one about rating players' careers Vs rating who were the "best" batsmen, in terms of ability...

 

[honestbharani]

Selfish is probably a harsh word I agree. But if he retires now, it'll be fair to say that he didn't give his all for the team till he could. And I say the same about all those who decide to retire when they're the best (e.g. Greg Chappell).

Again, you are missing the point.. A player who still wants to play and be out there is always >>> a player who would rather not be there... No one has any obligation to stick around till they become so **** that they need to be asked to leave... Neither are these transitionary periods always better for the presence of a legend producing much lesser output than the mean around the world... It always depends on where each team is at that point and where the individual in question is, at that point... I agree that SL are perhaps in a state where they need him and have obviously made no secret about it but the man should want to play, plain and simple... And if he thinks he has had enough of international cricket, then he is making the right decision. As I said, it should not detract his legacy one bit...


Why are we assuming that the only reason he is going out is to "protect his legacy".... It is such a stupid biased view to take on a great player for absolutely no reason whatsoever...

 

[weldone]

A player who still wants to play and be out there is always >>> a player who would rather not be there...

right

Why are we assuming that the only reason he is going out is to "protect his legacy"...

Again, I'm not saying that. That's the precise reason I retracted the word 'selfish'. But why isn't it fair to say that man didn't give his all for the team till he could (for whatever reason)? It's a fact, that's all. I have immense respect for players like Ponting and Misbah who give their all for the team till they can.

When you are the best batsman in the world, and you are part of an otherwise mediocre batting lineup can't you leave the game if you lose interest? Obviously you can, but that's not the point.

 

[Coronis]

I don't know about PEWS, but retiring now when he's the best batsman in the world will be a selfish act in my opinion. I won't rate Sanga lower for that reason though (not lower than, say, if he continues for 3 more years and averages 38 in that time).

Same thing with Bradman really imo. Should've played on for another 10 years til he started averaging 40. Selfish ****.

 

[anil1405]

Pointing fingers at Sanga for deciding to quit at sometime in near future when he is currently at his best is a joke.

 

[weldone]

My fingers are pointed towards the keys on my keyboards TBH.

Someone asked a question and I answered it with my personal opinion. Retirement is a personal decision afterall (like many other things, like deciding to make a career out of playing cricket for example). Will I point finger at Sanga if he retires tomorrow? No. Would I point finger at Sanga if he never played cricket at the first place? No.

 

[weldone]

Let me turn this question towards you guys. Forget pointing fingers, blaming, tarnishing someone's legacy etc. etc. These are strong words.

Do you respect Misbah for playing on and giving his best for his team at an age of 40? Yes/ no? Need a one-word answer please.

 

[anil1405]

Selfish is probably a harsh word I agree. But if he retires now, it'll be fair to say that he didn't give his all for the team till he could. And I say the same about all those who decide to retire when they're the best (e.g. Greg Chappell).

My fingers are pointed towards the keys on my keyboards TBH.

Someone asked a question and I answered it with my personal opinion. Retirement is a personal decision afterall (like many other things, like deciding to make a career out of playing cricket for example). Will I point finger at Sanga if he retires tomorrow? No. Would I point finger at Sanga if he never played cricket at the first place? No.

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[weldone]

That's not an answer to the Misbah question.

 

[anil1405]

It was never meant to be.

Am highlighting how you are contradicting yourself in those above posts.

 

[weldone]

I probably couldn't express myself well.

All I meant to say in the last page is that I have immense respect for players like Ponting, Misbah etc. who gave their all for as long as they could. I can't praise players like Greg Chappell for the same reason. That's all I've tried to say on this subject. Maybe I couldn't express myself properly.