how good did Vaughan used to be?

[BoyBrumby]

It's weird to think that it was probably Vaughan's hugely impressive test form that got him the OD captaincy ('cos his form in that form of the game has never been better than average) &, ultimately, the big gig too. Tres had seniority in terms of being longer established in our test team (although IIRC Vaughan debuted before Tres), but Vaughan's test form looked absolutely bomb-proof so he was the only choice. I don't think he had too much experience of captaincy, he may've skippered a few age-group sides, but he wasn't Yorkshire's captain when he got the nod.

Since then their form seems to have gone in opposite directions, Tres is even starting to do it away from home too. Vaughan still looks the more classically correct batter, Tres is still reliant on what you'd call a weight-transferance technique (if you were being polite!) rather than classic foot movement (or any foot movement at all, pretty much!), but he averages over 45 now whereas Vaughan's has now dipped below 43 despite its previous heights.

I guess the irony is that Vaughan's captaincy will keep him in the test (& ODI, probably) team, but it was his batting that got him the job originally!

 

[open365]

I guess the irony is that Vaughan's captaincy will keep him in the test (& ODI, probably) team, but it was his batting that got him the job originally!

i would say its more depressing than ironic

 

[social]

The all-rounder ranking is cobbled together.

The batting and bowling are far and away the most accurate of rating players against each other.

Vaughan holding the no. 1 ranking was akin to Rafter holding the no. 1 spot in tennis - the result of a great, albeit relatively short, period of form that coincided with a temporary slump from players acknowledged as being his superior, e.g. Sampras.

It's actually indicative of the anomalies associated with the ICC rankings around this time that he ever got to no. 1 as, despite Vaughan's performances from 2002 - 2003, Hayden was by far and away the best performer during this time (2472 runs @ 75 with 11 centuries vs 2439 runs @ 51 with 9 centuries).

 

[marc71178]

But did Hayden score those runs against McGrath and Warne or a multitude of mediocrity?

 

[social]

But did Hayden score those runs against McGrath and Warne or a multitude of mediocrity?

Yep, youre right.

In that period, he only bludgeoned Donald, Ntini, Nel, Kallis, Pollock, Waqar, Shoaib, Saqlain, Mushtaq, Kumble, Harbi etc, etc, etc.

Unfortunately, he also had to come up against the might of Eng and Bangladesh.

Makes you wonder just how bad the rest of the world's batsmen are when their records pale into significance beside Hayden's even if you remove Aus from the equation.

 

[grecian]

For a brief and wondorouas time Vaughn was the best bastsman in the world, before and after hes been average. Like Gatting for a time in the mid-eighties it makes us Englishmen strut and push our chests out.

Yet overall, there are many batsmen, in the world, who have performed better consistently.

Just hope Banger will end up with an average in the fifties

 

[magsi23]

I'd say Freddie is a better all-rounder than Kallis at present

i agree, for sure he is

 

[marc71178]

In that period, he only bludgeoned Donald, Ntini, Nel, Kallis, Pollock, Waqar, Shoaib, Saqlain, Mushtaq, Kumble, Harbi etc, etc, etc.

In 2002-03 time, so more than half of that list are past it.