How good a bowler was Dennis Lillee?

[SJS]

... still not convinced of Barnes speed.

Absolutely. He wasnt dramatically quicker than Orielly if you ask me. None of the older accounts I have read talk of his pace in terms that indicate that he was fast medium as the term is understood today.

 

[archie mac]

Absolutely. He wasnt dramatically quicker than Orielly if you ask me. None of the older accounts I have read talk of his pace in terms that indicate that he was fast medium as the term is understood today.

Especially when they things like "he did not have a wrong un", hard to imagine them saying things like that about Max Walker for instance

 

[Matt79]

Trumper = Dhoni. A lot of people liked him, but in the end, not a very good batsman.

Don't display your ignorance

Thinking about Trumper v. Hill, I think the relatively modern day parallel is Greg Chappell vs. Allan Border. Almost everyone who saw them play would say Chappell was the better batsman, but ignoring the aesthetics of what they achieved, its a much more interesting question.

My money is still on Trumper and Chappell. Mug punters might be fooled by flashiness but when the consensus of opinion amongst people who intimately know the game and saw both players is with one player, that's game set match for me, barring massive statistical differences, which don't exist in either case.

 

[SJS]

Especially when they things like "he did not have a wrong un", hard to imagine them saying things like that about Max Walker for instance

Yes. That and when he was asked about his being compared to Orielly and that Orielly had the googly, he merely commented "I never needed it" Nothing to talk of how they were different bowlers to start with or that he was much faster too etc.

I have often wondered whether, if born fifty years later, he would have opened the bowling.

 

[SJS]

Don't display your ignorance

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BTW, Sreesanth is better than Larwood

 

[Matt79]

Better breakdancer maybe...

 

[SJS]

Better breakdancer maybe...

Better wicket-banger, better bat-swinger and better snarler too.

 

[SJS]

The Multi-faceted Sreesanth

The bat-swinger

The Funny Guy

The Traffic Cop

The Traffic Cop Marc II

You friendly neighbourhood appealer

The Dancer​

 

[Burgey]

The Multi-faceted Sreesanth

The bat-swinger

The Funny Guy

The Traffic Cop

The Traffic Cop Marc II

You friendly neighbourhood appealer

The Dancer​

You forgot to add "The Dribbler".

 

[Burgey]

Especially when they things like "he did not have a wrong un", hard to imagine them saying things like that about Max Walker for instance

But Max Walker didn't have a wrong 'un, so it would have beenfair comment

 

[Perm]

I do understand your points Perm, but I do not agree with them, your argument is that they performed in Pakistan and Lillee did not, meaning they did something that Lillee was unable too. But I do not rate that argument and I think it is silly, and you and others keep making it, under the false impression that I do not understand, I do, but do not rate it, and I feel it means absolutely nothing, when comparing bowlers or batsman. And if I do not rate it than I will say it is silly, and if you do not agree with that, that is okay

So you're dismissing mine and others arguments as silly because they prove a point about a player that you disagree with?

 

[Perm]

Perm, how much do you know about Clem Hill, if I may ask?

A bit, not a great deal. Enough to know that Sobers was a much better Test batsman.

 

[SJS]

A bit, not a great deal. Enough to know that Sobers was a much better Test batsman.

Thatdoesnt tell much.

Sobers was a better batsman than almost everyone barring Bradman

 

[Perm]

Thatdoesnt tell much.

Sobers was a better batsman than almost everyone barring Bradman

Indeed, that's why I thought archie's claim of Hill not being that far behind Sobers as a bit ridiculous.

 

[archie mac]

So you're dismissing mine and others arguments as silly because they prove a point about a player that you disagree with?

That is the point as far as I am concerned they prove nothing at all and the theory is ridiculous, try and keep up

Indeed, that's why I thought archie's claim of Hill not being that far behind Sobers as a bit ridiculous.

Maybe if you read somemore on Clem you would agree with me I know if you read somemore you would not use such words as ridiculous, Sobers was better, but it is not so far removed that you could not make a case for Hill

 

[Matt79]

Time to just agree to disagree I reckon fellas...

 

[The Sean]

Time to just agree to disagree I reckon fellas...

How long have you been posting on this forum Matt?

 

[archie mac]

Time to just agree to disagree I reckon fellas...

More than happy to call it quits, Maybe it should be locked

But refuse to let others have the last word unless it is locked

 

[The Sean]

Modest man, their averages are almost the same, I think on style Trumper was the best, with no doubt, but when it comes to the scoring of runs it is a different story, and he was fit to lick his boots

Trumper's a hack. Haven't you seen his Test average - it's 39 for God's sake. THIRTY NINE!!

 

[archie mac]

Trumper's a hack. Haven't you seen his Test average - it's 39 for God's sake. THIRTY NINE!!

So is Hills