How did this bloke play for aus a??

[Swervy]

Indeed - I'll be astonished if Martyn finishes with an average of over 50.

are there any technical reasons why you dont think he is good enough to finish with a 50 average, considering he has been one of the highest scoring and consistant playes of the decade.

He has only played 56 tests..his last 47, he has scored getting on 3500 runs at an average of over 55

 

[tooextracool]

And Bradman scored 100s more regularly than every 3 innings.
Bradman's career is also longer than Martyn's period of reference here.

what is your point? i would think that an overall career would prove to be even more disastrous to your claim than just a single period.

Oh, it is, and Marytn is undoubtedly a good player.
Lara's poor period produced an average of 39; Tendulkar's the most hopeless inconsistency you'll see (either 500 without being dismissed or single-figure score after single-figure score); what is the point?

err the fact that tendulkar was hopeless during his poor period and still averaged over 50 and is therefore not 'inconsistent'?

Fact is, Martyn had a poor period and he was extremely inconsistent in it.

yes, because thats the hallmark of a great player these days.....how consistent you are during poor periods
you do realise of course that if he was consistent during his poor period, it wouldnt be poor at all?

Indeed - I'll be astonished if Martyn finishes with an average of over 50..

especially considering that hes currently averaging over inzy and over 50.
not surprising either that you ignored the point about inzy.

No, just that he's almost certain to play more Tests than Martyn, so if he has another poor period it'll not affect his average as it would Martyn's if Martyn had exactly the same set of scores.

err if he had a period like he did in 97-98, his average would be in the mid 40s, definetly below 50. so much for, inzamam will average over 50 at the end of his career.
and the way martyn is going right now, its more likely that his average will go up than down.

Because attacks are weak, and since his 329 he's not experienced much paucity?

you mean like how he struggled in SA and australia?

Err, it is his career average...?

yet you are referring to his 'recent career average', which has absolutely nothing to do with his overall career average

 

[tooextracool]

are there any technical reasons why you dont think he is good enough to finish with a 50 average, considering he has been one of the highest scoring and consistant playes of the decade.

no its just that he doesnt like him.

 

[Richard]

I just dont get this talk about Martyns 'bad' patch...in amongst that 'bad' patch, he went 7 innings scoring 522 runs, with 3 100's and 2 50's,and all but 1 of those +50 innings was against the then second best team in the world. During that spell he averaged 104.4.

I think it would be better to say he failed in 4 innings in a row after that spell, but bounced back with a 67, and a 20 that may well have saved Australia from losing the test..he then scored 34 in a test which the opposition barely scored 100 in 2 innings.

Its a pretty good 'bad' patch

It's not a poor one, no.
But it was a patch of extreme inconsistency.

 

[Richard]

are there any technical reasons why you dont think he is good enough to finish with a 50 average, considering he has been one of the highest scoring and consistant playes of the decade.

He has only played 56 tests..his last 47, he has scored getting on 3500 runs at an average of over 55

Oh, indeed, and he's certainly got no technical problems any more - competant against all styles of bowling, etc.
Just he tends to have sticky patches, and as such his average tends to fluctuate quite a bit.

 

[Richard]

no its just that he doesnt like him.

Rubbish, I've never disliked Martyn - it did annoy me that he (along with just about all the other Australians) managed to score so many lucky runs in 2001 and to a lesser extent 2001\02 but since then I've never disliked him as a player, even if, being Australian, I'd prefer him not to score runs than to score them.

 

[Swervy]

It's not a poor one, no.
But it was a patch of extreme inconsistency.

EXTREME??? Are you sure about that..he had a couple of bad tests

 

[Swervy]

Oh, indeed, and he's certainly got no technical problems any more - competant against all styles of bowling, etc.
Just he tends to have sticky patches, and as such his average tends to fluctuate quite a bit.

ALL (well 99%) batsmen have spells where they dont get loads of runs..thats cricket..and as I have said somewhere, that doesnt always mean they are out of form or anything, its just the rub of the green hasnt gone with them for a bit.

I would have thought Martyn is in fact one of the more consistant batsmen in the world at the moment

 

[Richard]

what is your point? i would think that an overall career would prove to be even more disastrous to your claim than just a single period.

Nope, the fact that it's a whole career means it's utterly pointless to do such a breakdown.

err the fact that tendulkar was hopeless during his poor period and still averaged over 50 and is therefore not 'inconsistent'?

Is not inconsistent!?!?! Are you blind? You're telling me that this (overall average 39.61, not 50) isn't the most stupidly inconsistent phase anyone could possibly have?

yes, because thats the hallmark of a great player these days.....how consistent you are during poor periods
you do realise of course that if he was consistent during his poor period, it wouldnt be poor at all?

If it was consistently single-figure scores it'd be poor, fairly obviously.
It saw considerable change in his average, that's all that matters.

especially considering that hes currently averaging over inzy and over 50.
not surprising either that you ignored the point about inzy.

Yes, currently - and he was averaging over 50 and over Inzamam on several other occasions, too.
I'd not be surprised if Inzamam's average continued to rise and Martyn's continued to fluctuate.

err if he had a period like he did in 97-98, his average would be in the mid 40s, definetly below 50. so much for, inzamam will average over 50 at the end of his career.
and the way martyn is going right now, its more likely that his average will go up than down.

And you could have said that several other times in Martyn's (or many other batsmen, for that matter)'s careers.
If Inzamam has another period like 1997-1998 starting in his next Test, his average would fall from 49.76 to 41.72. Then it'd probably rise again.
Not to mention the fact that for him to have another is extremely unlikely.

you mean like how he struggled in SA and australia?

In his single Test in Australia (in which he was afflicted by injury) you mean?
And in SA where he still managed an average of 30.75 despite not being at his best.

yet you are referring to his 'recent career average', which has absolutely nothing to do with his overall career average

What I mean is recently his overall career average hasn't changed much.

 

[Richard]

EXTREME??? Are you sure about that..he had a couple of bad tests

Try 12 Tests where more than not were bad.

 

[Richard]

ALL (well 99%) batsmen have spells where they dont get loads of runs..thats cricket..and as I have said somewhere, that doesnt always mean they are out of form or anything, its just the rub of the green hasnt gone with them for a bit.

I would have thought Martyn is in fact one of the more consistant batsmen in the world at the moment

He's certainly managed to score runs against all opposition on all types of pitches.
Sometimes mainly through luck, of course (ie in Sri Lanka).
But nonetheless even while he hasn't been anywhere near as inconsistent as some his average has still gone up and down a bit (from 78 to 56 etc.), due to the fact that he's not played an extraordinarily large number of Tests.

 

[Swervy]

Try 12 Tests where more than not were bad.

well i reckon in that spell, of 12 tests, he failed in 5, and most of those failures were where he actually only batted one innings..the fact that he scored over 500 runs at an average of over 100 for a spell of 5 tests in the middle of this 'bad' patch doesnt mean anything to you does it?

 

[Swervy]

He's certainly managed to score runs against all opposition on all types of pitches.
Sometimes mainly through luck, of course (ie in Sri Lanka).
But nonetheless even while he hasn't been anywhere near as inconsistent as some his average has still gone up and down a bit (from 78 to 56 etc.), due to the fact that he's not played an extraordinarily large number of Tests.

eh?..Martyn has never averaged 78 in his career...I guess that you are cutting out his early career to get that figure...

Martyns highest average ever was 57, ironically right slap bang in the middle of the bad patch...and he actaully averaged higher at the end of this artificial period of time than he did a couple of innings before it.

 

[Swervy]

He's certainly managed to score runs against all opposition on all types of pitches.
Sometimes mainly through luck, of course (ie in Sri Lanka).

Here we go!!!!

 

[Swervy]

But nonetheless even while he hasn't been anywhere near as inconsistent as some his average has still gone up and down a bit (from 78 to 56 etc.), due to the fact that he's not played an extraordinarily large number of Tests.

Forget how the average goes up and down..as you have said, players who havent played that much have great fluctuations in average.

have you run a statistical test on Martyn compared to other players to see whether he truely is inconsistant...or are you just guessing the maths here?

 

[marc71178]

Here we go!!!!

If all else fails, bring in the luck!

 

[tooextracool]

Nope, the fact that it's a whole career means it's utterly pointless to do such a breakdown..

no the whole career counts as a period too. and i'd think if someone was inconsistent for a longer period he should actually be worse off.
and if you want a short period then try this:
13 tests averaging 25
http://statserver.cricket.org/guru?...edhigh=;csearch=;submit=1;.cgifields=viewtype

Is not inconsistent!?!?! Are you blind? You're telling me that this (overall average 39.61, not 50) isn't the most stupidly inconsistent phase anyone could possibly have?..

err if you understood english, you'd realise that thats precisely my point. since tendulkar was so inconsistent in that period, i guess we can now claim that he was an extremely inconsistent player and his average will go below 50.

If it was consistently single-figure scores it'd be poor, fairly obviously.
It saw considerable change in his average, that's all that matters.?..

and inzamams poor period saw his average drop by 10 runs.

Yes, currently - and he was averaging over 50 and over Inzamam on several other occasions, too.
I'd not be surprised if Inzamam's average continued to rise and Martyn's continued to fluctuate..

obviously, because you like inzy and dont like martyn,
equally i'd be surprised if inzy averages over 50 or over martyn ever again.

And you could have said that several other times in Martyn's (or many other batsmen, for that matter)'s careers..

except that martyn wont have a period of 1.5 years averaging 16. because he isnt as inconsistent.

If Inzamam has another period like 1997-1998 starting in his next Test, his average would fall from 49.76 to 41.72. Then it'd probably rise again...

err if hes poor for 1.5 years at 35 years old, hes going to be dropped.

Not to mention the fact that for him to have another is extremely unlikely....

ditto martyn

In his single Test in Australia (in which he was afflicted by injury) you mean?

largely because it didnt affect his batting.

And in SA where he still managed an average of 30.75 despite not being at his best.

WOW 30.75!!!
a whole 20 runs below his career average.

What I mean is recently his overall career average hasn't changed much.

martyns has, except that its going up.

 

[a massive zebra]

It's not that surprising. Beau Casson averages about 38 at FC level, and Xavier Doherty averages 53, and both are regarded fairly highly.

Brad Hogg averages 42. But he's rubbish. Hauritz averages 47.

Even Shane Warne averages 35 for Victoria in the Sheffield Shield/Pura Milk Cup. Australian domestic cricket is indeed a hard life for spinners.

 

[Neil Pickup]

Forget how the average goes up and down..as you have said, players who havent played that much have great fluctuations in average.

have you run a statistical test on Martyn compared to other players to see whether he truely is inconsistant...or are you just guessing the maths here?

What statistical Test would you suggest?

Standard deviation perhaps, variance? How would you include not outs?

 

[Richard]

eh?..Martyn has never averaged 78 in his career...I guess that you are cutting out his early career to get that figure...

Yes, indeed, because the early Martyn has nothing to do with the post-1999 Martyn.
And to act as if the two parts of the career have any bearing on the other (apart from in Martyn's mind) is ridiculous.