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How bad are the Windies
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Jigga988
State 12th Man
How Collymore got wickets i will never know he is an absolutely pathetic bowler who nibbles it about on the seam and thats it.
With regards to Ramdin, in terms of keeping there isnt really anyone better than him when was the last time any one saw him make a mistake
Bravo wont be fit for NZ but i really rate him, he has every shot in the game and was desperateky unlucky against the Aussies
Edwards has improved with out a doubt, although he lacks accuracy no bowler in World cricket is bowling quicker than him and he had a decent series against the aussies. Taylor needs to swing the ball more but he has really good pace, and finally, i have always believed that Powell is a joke bowler, he bowls at a half decent pace doesnt swing it, never pitches it up and has no accuracy.
In terms of the future there is a good prospect regarding the batting Guillen should be good and Marshall has made a half decent start. However, i dont see much bowlers emerging in the near future.
With regards to Ramdin, in terms of keeping there isnt really anyone better than him when was the last time any one saw him make a mistake
Bravo wont be fit for NZ but i really rate him, he has every shot in the game and was desperateky unlucky against the Aussies
Edwards has improved with out a doubt, although he lacks accuracy no bowler in World cricket is bowling quicker than him and he had a decent series against the aussies. Taylor needs to swing the ball more but he has really good pace, and finally, i have always believed that Powell is a joke bowler, he bowls at a half decent pace doesnt swing it, never pitches it up and has no accuracy.
In terms of the future there is a good prospect regarding the batting Guillen should be good and Marshall has made a half decent start. However, i dont see much bowlers emerging in the near future.
Woodster
International Captain
Yes I wasn't suggesting Dwayne Bravo to play alongside another all-rounder in the NZ series as he isn't in the squad, I was meaning long term. I'm not Bravo's biggest fan, he's undoubtedly a wholehearted performer, reasonably clever bowler with good use of a well disguised slower ball and economical. He can hold up an end pretty well, lacks any real penetration, but has good stamina and can bowl long spells.
He's a decent fielder, but I think his batting needs to step up to the next level. He's played only 31 Tests, so he is still coming to terms with Test cricket and learning how to construct bigger innings. Think the potential is there with the bat, but I hope to see more from him over the next 12 months. If his batting improves, then his bowling becomes a useful addition to his armoury.
He's a decent fielder, but I think his batting needs to step up to the next level. He's played only 31 Tests, so he is still coming to terms with Test cricket and learning how to construct bigger innings. Think the potential is there with the bat, but I hope to see more from him over the next 12 months. If his batting improves, then his bowling becomes a useful addition to his armoury.
Rant0r
International 12th Man
he will be west indies cricket for the next 15 years
Goughy
Hall of Fame Member
I dont buy any of this that WI have groups of quality players and are full of potential.
Id take NZ over them easily.
Out of interest, Chanderpaul, Sarwan and Gayle have played 40 Tests together and WI have won 5.
WI are terrible at he moment and will be for a long time.
Id take NZ over them easily.
Out of interest, Chanderpaul, Sarwan and Gayle have played 40 Tests together and WI have won 5.
WI are terrible at he moment and will be for a long time.
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krkode
State Captain
Similar to Lara, IMO. In his 131 matches, he has played in 32 wins and about 61 losses... and still managed to emerge one of the best batsmen of all time.
Jigga988
State 12th Man
i think this is all a but harsh and unneccesery, yes we aint got that good of a side but then again i reckon it could beat New Zealands, the series will be competitive depite us not having Samuels or Bravo.
On a slightly different note i just want to comment on how well we prepared for the super series and i think this attitude needs to be taken to the test game although that probobly wont happen unless ou put a million dollars infront of them........ classic west indian
On a slightly different note i just want to comment on how well we prepared for the super series and i think this attitude needs to be taken to the test game although that probobly wont happen unless ou put a million dollars infront of them........ classic west indian
Jigga988
State 12th Man
If samuels was in the form he was against South Africa he is quite the loss, and cheat is a strong word, i prefer the word confused
Anyway, West Indies i reckon are better than NZ just coos if you break down both teams West Indies are better
openers - Chatergoon will develop and is probobly right now as good as Redmond and Gayle is miles better than How
3,4, and 5 - I reckon Marshall is a similar to Ryder as well as Sarwan being quite similar to Taylor, if not a bit better and Chandy is streaks ahead of Flynn or Fulton or who ever is batting at 5 for NZ
6/all rounder - Bravo easily beats fulton or flynn or Elliot in every respect
wicket keeper - Mcculum is a miles better batsman but there's not much difference in terms of keeping.
quickies - Taylor is similar to Martin, but with a bit more pace except for the fact that Taylor can bat without having his stumps cartwheel out the ground on his first ball
I reckon Southee is easily better and a much better prospect than Powell. Finally, Edwards is probobly better than O'Brien, he swings it a lot more and is a lot quicker
spinner - This is a no contest, Benn or Vetorri - hmmmmmmm Vetorri has more talent is his little finger than Benn has in his looooooong ungainly arms
As you can see West Indies are far better than New Zealend
Anyway, West Indies i reckon are better than NZ just coos if you break down both teams West Indies are better
openers - Chatergoon will develop and is probobly right now as good as Redmond and Gayle is miles better than How
3,4, and 5 - I reckon Marshall is a similar to Ryder as well as Sarwan being quite similar to Taylor, if not a bit better and Chandy is streaks ahead of Flynn or Fulton or who ever is batting at 5 for NZ
6/all rounder - Bravo easily beats fulton or flynn or Elliot in every respect
wicket keeper - Mcculum is a miles better batsman but there's not much difference in terms of keeping.
quickies - Taylor is similar to Martin, but with a bit more pace except for the fact that Taylor can bat without having his stumps cartwheel out the ground on his first ball
I reckon Southee is easily better and a much better prospect than Powell. Finally, Edwards is probobly better than O'Brien, he swings it a lot more and is a lot quicker
spinner - This is a no contest, Benn or Vetorri - hmmmmmmm Vetorri has more talent is his little finger than Benn has in his looooooong ungainly arms
As you can see West Indies are far better than New Zealend
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
That's nonsense. I've said it before, people made the mistake of judging Irani by cosmetics rather than actual skill. Irani was a reasonable ODI player, and many, many worse ones have played for England in the last 8 years.
Goughy
Hall of Fame Member
Gayle has never scored a ton in a victory against a real Test team and does not possess the technique to regularly contribute on anything but the flattest of tracks.
Chattergoon has accomplished nothing at any senior level and is no longer a young prospect.
Marshall does not even have a FC hundred let alone a Test hundred.
Sarwan is a decent player that is probably just above the lowest level at what is acceptable in modern Test performance.
Bravo isnt good enough to be a specialist batsman and isnt good enough to be a specialist bowler. Batting at 6 is too high and weakens the entire line-up.
Ramdin is pretty ordinary at best.
Chanderpaul is obviously a different class but even he has shown difficulty changing gear.
Batting wise the WI have a very weak and very short batting line-up. Its a pretty dangerous combination.
Ill maybe look at the bowling later.
Chattergoon has accomplished nothing at any senior level and is no longer a young prospect.
Marshall does not even have a FC hundred let alone a Test hundred.
Sarwan is a decent player that is probably just above the lowest level at what is acceptable in modern Test performance.
Bravo isnt good enough to be a specialist batsman and isnt good enough to be a specialist bowler. Batting at 6 is too high and weakens the entire line-up.
Ramdin is pretty ordinary at best.
Chanderpaul is obviously a different class but even he has shown difficulty changing gear.
Batting wise the WI have a very weak and very short batting line-up. Its a pretty dangerous combination.
Ill maybe look at the bowling later.
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Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
He barely lasts 5 minutes whenever he bats.
Still not entirely sure why Carlton Baugh has never been given any real run as a Test wicketkeeper-batsman. Mind, I'm also not even sure he's still playing, that's how much note I've taken of WI domestic cricket of late. For all I know he might've barely scored a run the last 4 years.
Jigga988
State 12th Man
Carlton Baugh has never been considered because he is an absolute joke he can not keep at all nor can he bat, at least with Ramdin you know there is a little talent there, he captained both Trinidad and the Windies at under 21 level sure he has been batting really poorly of late but this is probobly because he has been working on his keeping, he will improve once he gets a big score,
By the way Sarwan is a quality batsman and not 'just above the lowest level of what is expected as a test batsman' since he has come back from injury he has had brilliant series' in Sri lanka and India and posseses bucket loads of talent.
By the way Sarwan is a quality batsman and not 'just above the lowest level of what is expected as a test batsman' since he has come back from injury he has had brilliant series' in Sri lanka and India and posseses bucket loads of talent.
NZTailender
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
Because he is accurate and uses subtle changes of 'nibbles' to get batsmen out?
One could say the same thing about McGrath
sledger
Spanish_Vicente
Haha, apart from the fault that he harbours several major technical deficiencies in his allround game.
Jigga988
State 12th Man
We got a lot of West Indian haters in the forum, you must be thinking of a different Sarwan to me