Holland v India

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You can say all you like mate but the joke isn't on me, it's on you. The fact is that all the performances against England don't mean diddily sqaut. On current form India's batting is at best an embarrisment, at worst it is a disgrace. So you can go on forever about the previous wins by India while I just watch them scratch around and get out over and over again.

OK so this very teams batting performances in England, WI, India, and SriLanka against England, WI, SL, SA dont mean 'squat' and the only results that matter are the ones at that substandard series in NZ.

Why dont you say that the Indian and Kiwi seamers are top notch based on that series? Afterall they did pretty well the highlight being dismissing their opposition under 100 runs in the first innings of a test match.

Try and be fair. Nobody is saying that a great performance in the WC is for granted because of earlier results. But brazenly writing off a good team that has won more than lost over the past year is stupid at best.

 

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What's a blancmange?

And it's good to see you LE

 

[Anil]

What's a blancmange?

And it's good to see you LE

blanc·mange - A flavored and sweetened milk pudding thickened with cornstarch.


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[Middle English blankmanger, a dish made with almond milk, from Old French blanc mangier : blanc, white (of Germanic origin. See bhel-1 in Indo-European Roots) + mangier, to eat, food (from Latin manducre. See manger).]

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Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition


blancmange

\Blanc*mange"\, n. [F. blancmanger, lit. white food; blanc white + manger to eat.] (Cookery) A preparation for desserts, etc., made from isinglass, sea moss, cornstarch, or other gelatinous or starchy substance, with mild, usually sweetened and flavored, and shaped in a mold.


Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.


blancmange

n : sweet almond-flavored milk pudding thickened with gelatin or cornstarch; usually molded


Source: WordNet ® 1.6, © 1997 Princeton University

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Here are three or four definitions for you. Exactly how Zaheer compares to this, I confess I didn't understand. LE or DD, could you clarify?

 

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THanks.

How the hell does Zaheer resemble a sweet milk pudding!!
Unless LE got confused between Zaheer and Agarkar, who serves up some delicious dessert for the batsmen..

 

[luckyeddie]

I think that it's an obscure local colloquialism.

If someone's been a bit of a drip, somewhat inconsistent or generally 'had a bad day' (as in Zaheers contribution to 'Extras' - Netherlands second-highest run scorers) they COULD be described where I come from as 'Pudding' or 'Soft'. Well, the softest pudding I know of is (as has been so eloquently explained) a blancmange.

I think that you'd better ask the duck.

<quack> No offence meant, of course, but it was a bowling spell of Agarkar-like quality.

 

[luckyeddie]

or should that be Agarkaresque?

 

[Matthew Brought]

The Dutch let us down

All are hopes are up. The Indians have decided to play half decent when they are asked to bowl.
Unlucky Holland.
We'll be with you through this horrible time

 

[PY]

Face it f_l, india didnt even begin to perform today.They arrived at the ground and decided to give this Holland team a chance of the first win!! kinda makes me chuckle because you seem to actually think that your country has a viable chance against the aussies!!!you struggle to 160-odd for 6 against possibly the worst team in the competition and claim you can beat the best. :rolleyes: like us saying that if we struggled against say (purely as an example) Western Australia yet beat them, we can then beat the full Australia side errrrrr no

 

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in flaming mood eh?

I said we should have made 270 even in a bad pitch. We only managed 204. That's a terrible performance.
I pointed out that we have done this sort of thing earlier too. Terrible collapses out of the blue dont really surprise Indian fans much..
Having said that I sure hope Australia is writing us off.

 

[luckyeddie]

... or if, say, the England soccer team were 2-0 down at half time to the Socceroos

 

[Anil]

in flaming mood eh?

I said we should have made 270 even in a bad pitch. We only managed 204. That's a terrible performance.
I pointed out that we have done this sort of thing earlier too. Terrible collapses out of the blue dont really surprise Indian fans much..
Having said that I sure hope Australia is writing us off.

A lesser team might have written us off. I don't think this Aussie team will do that which is what makes them so difficult to beat. Wright and Ganguly said before the start that they will play every game as hard as possible, there will be no complacency, no defeatist attitude, blah, blah.....but I think the Aussies have been doing that for years now and not just talking about it.

 

[marc71178]

Looks like Saurav has tried out the strategy he wants to use for the rest of the tournament as the fifth bowler completed 11 overs conceding 29 runs.

11 overs against numbers 9, 10, 11 from holland hardly equate to 11 overs against a rampant Australian middle order!

 

[PY]

... or if, say, the England soccer team were 2-0 down at half time to the Socceroos

errm ouch?

 

[Anil]

11 overs against numbers 9, 10, 11 from holland hardly equate to 11 overs against a rampant Australian middle order!

Either way, Ganguly doesn't have any other option but to form a fifth bowler group from part-time bowlers. Even if we include a "specialist" 5th bowler, chances are that he will go for a lot and it will weaken an already brittle batting lineup which India just cannot afford to do.

 

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A lesser team might have written us off. I don't think this Aussie team will do that which is what makes them so difficult to beat. Wright and Ganguly said before the start that they will play every game as hard as possible, there will be no complacency, no defeatist attitude, blah, blah.....but I think the Aussies have been doing that for years now and not just talking about it.

Yeah I know they haven't written us off at all. Neither has the SA captain... I don't think anyone who knows their stuff will write India off.. my point was that some people want to pick the NZ series and say that the Indian batting lineup is 'a joke' and other such things. It's been said in the media too. I just think that's ridiculous and these guys dont know what they are talking about. Further, it looks silly to discount the abilities of a team that has raked up huge totals through the year and just consider one series, on whim! I am sure that Nasser Hussain is not calling Sehwag and Ganguly pushovers.. Nor is Carl Hooper.


Mark, ofcourse Holland's 8-11 isn't the Aus middle order! That fifth bowler will most probably cost us in excess of 60 runs against Australia. Now we know the people Saurav is intending to bowl..

 

[Tim]

Daryl Tuffey will not get too many more games in this World Cup IMO, he's been found out time & time again on flat tracks and if he doesn't get it straight he'll be hammered.

I think the selectors were just picking him on form, but if they go back a year or so they would have seen that Tuffey went for 60 runs off 5 overs in an ODI against the West Indies.

 

[Anil]

Yeah I know they haven't written us off at all. Neither has the SA captain... I don't think anyone who knows their stuff will write India off.. my point was that some people want to pick the NZ series and say that the Indian batting lineup is 'a joke' and other such things. It's been said in the media too. I just think that's ridiculous and these guys dont know what they are talking about. Further, it looks silly to discount the abilities of a team that has raked up huge totals through the year and just consider one series, on whim! I am sure that Nasser Hussain is not calling Sehwag and Ganguly pushovers.. Nor is Carl Hooper.


Mark, ofcourse Holland's 8-11 isn't the Aus middle order! That fifth bowler will most probably cost us in excess of 60 runs against Australia. Now we know the people Saurav is intending to bowl..

A group of Indian posters, most of whom I don't see nowadays used to irritate these guys especially when England were losing to India and when England were being thrashed by Australia. A lot of these guys became antagonistic to the Indian team after that. That, I think is the main reason behind all the glee for India's NZ disaster and anticipated downfall in the WC.

 

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That to and fro stuff has been happening for a long time I think. But it's no reason to be stupid is it?
I mean it's self defeating to say something that can be shown easily to be way off the mark- like if I said Cairns was crap or Vaughan couldnt hold a bat.
How can you claim that Saurav Ganguly after scoring 19 hundreds and 50 fifties is useless and hope to get away with it!
Atleast Neil stops at saying that he just wants team X to win in any X-India match!


That 50 fifties reminded me- Srinath took his 300th ODI wicket in this match didnt he?
I didnt see it reported anywhere. They did mention Sachin's WC record.

Back to Holland, it may have actually been good for cricket if Holland had beaten India.. but their batting seems to be very fragile. I wish we saw more of these different teams in ODIs. Maybe they should have made a tier system within the WC..

 

[luckyeddie]

That 50 fifties reminded me- Srinath took his 300th ODI wicket in this match didnt he?
I didnt see it reported anywhere. They did mention Sachin's WC record.

You should have seen it reported somewhere.....

Here! (well, in DD's thread)

The duck's not just a pretty face (actually, the duck's not even a pretty face).

 

[Choora]

Cruel as it is to laugh, but I think we need to mention the extra special Harmison-type bowling by the great Zaheer Khan.

5 overs and 9 wides so far...

I knew something like this would happen:!( , Zaheer Khan and S Akhter were last seen in the company of Harmison.And did they learned anything from the fabbled pacer?? They certainly did. While Zaheer went on to bowl 9 wides in a single match, Akhter went on to hurt Anwar in the nets


WE LOVE YOU HARMISON