Holding. Garner. Donald.

[Thala_0710]

If I may ask, who has that bias?

So you have chosen war

 

[subshakerz]

Donald beat both Lillee and Trueman in polls, **** is depressing

If you think he is better than Akram too you should not complain

 

[subshakerz]

Donald is particularly rated higher by the Indian fans from my experience because he was monsterous against them, never felt he was rated as high by the English and ofcourse the Australian fans.

Or frankly most peers of the time. In about 30 or so ATG XI attacks selected by the recent era cricketers we checked, Donald's name comes once. He is another CW overrated player

 

[sayon basak]

Or frankly most peers of the time. In about 30 or so ATG XI attacks selected by the recent era cricketers we checked, Donald's name comes once. He is another CW overrated player

Or maybe a generally underrated player?

 

[subshakerz]

Or maybe generally underrated player?

You can't be rated that low without some issue.

 

[sayon basak]

You can't be rated that low without some issue.

What was the issue? From the footages, he looks more than fine to me.

 

[DrWolverine]

Allan Donald was one of my favourites.

He was a complete fast bowler like Dale Steyn and had everything - Speed. Aggression. Great action.

 

[subshakerz]

What was the issue? From the footages, he looks more than fine to me.

Lack of marquee performances away from home and underperformed against Aus the best team of the era.

 

[sayon basak]

Lack of marquee performances away from home and underperformed against Aus the best team of the era.

Actually, his performance in any other country except Australia is pretty good imo. Even in Australia, he wasn't really that bad. He did have a problem vs Australia, but saying that he's not underrated would be incorrect.

 

[subshakerz]

Actually, his performance in any other country except Australia is pretty good imo. Even in Australia, he wasn't really that bad. He did have a problem vs Australia, but saying that he's not underrated would be incorrect.

It's good on paper. Pretty figures.

But when you look into it, he didn't actually produce standout away performances like other ATGs do (except England, but even there it's a bit bittersweet).

On top of that he only has single tours of WI, NZ, Pak, SL, and four tests in India. Didn't really tour much compared to say Wasim.

As for Australia, in the mid 90s he was known to shrink a bit in critical moments of games.

 

[sayon basak]

It's good on paper. Pretty figures.

But when you look into it, he didn't actually produce standout performances like other ATGs do (except England, but even there it's a bit bittersweet).

On top of that he only has single tours of WI, NZ, Pak, SL, and four tests in India. Didn't really tour much compared to say Wasim.

As for Australia, in the mid 90s he was known to shrink a bit in critical moments of games.

Not saying he was better than Wasim. Just saying that he's underrated.

 

[subshakerz]

Not saying he was better than Wasim. Just saying that he's underrated.

Yes. It's close between him and Wasim, I only put Wasim ahead based on Aus performance and peer rep.

 

[Johan]

away record is overstated unless it comes against great teams or in unfriendly conditions, 1998 England Series is weird because not only were the conditions pacer friendly but English team was the literal pits, Thorpe was out after two games, Hick was finished, Stewart was a keeper and so forth. Don't know why that series would exceed even a great home series against good bowling. 1993-4 England was stronger

 

[subshakerz]

away record is overstated unless it comes against great teams or in unfriendly conditions, 1998 England Series is weird because not only were the conditions pacer friendly but English team was the literal pits, Thorpe was out after two games, Hick was finished, Stewart was a keeper and so forth. Don't know why that series would exceed even a great home series against good bowling. 1993-4 England was stronger

Away performances is not overstated especially if your home is SA which is literally pace paradise.

On top of that, despite bowling excellently, Donald in 98 Eng will be remembered for letting England get one chase done and failing to bowl them out in another test which cost the series (though he was a bit unlucky there).

 

[akilana]

Donald was easily better than akram. As usual akram gets overrated for looking pretty

 

[Bolo.]

Donald was easily better than akram. As usual akram gets overrated for looking pretty

Bit strange Donald doesn't get Akram's rep for doing the same thing. He had seam, conventional, reverse, pace, and bounce. The thing neither was top tier in was line and length. I wonder if Akram's rep would be as high if they had started at the same time.

 

[vidiq]

Donald was easily better than akram. As usual akram gets overrated for looking pretty

Most of your opinions are similar to mine.

 

[Johan]

Away performances is not overstated especially if your home is SA which is literally pace paradise.

On top of that, despite bowling excellently, Donald in 98 Eng will be remembered for letting England get one chase done and failing to bowl them out in another test which cost the series (though he was a bit unlucky there).

You misunderstand.

Sometimes, a players gets easy away wickets, for example technically Greg Chappell averages something like 70+ in Pakistan but nobody takes it seriously, simply because the wickets he had in Pakistan were so uber flat. Not all aaay conditions are tough by default, for example, I'd not rate runs on 2021-22 Pakistan wickets as highly as I'd rate runs on modern South African wickets, even if the latter are the player's home wickets. To me, if the away challenge is tough then sure that deserves praise, if the wickets and opposition of a home series and away series are equally difficult then sure the away series wins out because it shows your ability to adapt to different surfaces. But that's about it, I don't think away averages should be plainly read, series by series examination is always superior.

 

[kyear2]

arguable both ways, I go Holding because of ATG tours of all of the big three, other than his debut series he also averages 21-22.

This.

Donald is the best of the 3 though, probably the most underrated ATG quick. Holding is next for me, he was at various times the man, the leader of the attack, and he's above Garner for me.

 

[Johan]

Donald would have been a contender for GOAT tag, if he was allowed to start 2-3 years earlier.

Nah, debuting in your prime at 26-27 is a plus, we've seen countless times how early debut can effect your stats negatively IE Sobers, Sachin, Wasim and etcetera.