Historical Discussion- Best batting all-rounders after Sobers and Kallis

[Goughy]

Haha, I know.

Actually it's tricky.

On test cricket alone, Grace is not even no. 3. He must be below that.

But on FC Cricket alone, he's clearly better than Kallis and arguably even Sobers.

I dont think there is an argument that could be made otherwise. If there is then Id like to hear it.

 

[weldone]

Ok I concede

 

[OverratedSanity]

Ok I concede

He's agreeing with you

 

[bagapath]

I dont think there is an argument that could be made otherwise. If there is then Id like to hear it.

Not necessarily an argument. But we should consider the fact that round arm/underarm bowling styles weren't fully replaced by what we now call bowling until late 19th century. We don't know, at least I don't, if Grace played the same game we watch now. It may be essentially the same in spirit-runs, wickets, overs etc-but was it technically the same game we are talking about?

 

[Adorable Asshole]

Stokes but also Faulkner and Miller.

 

[trundler]

'Sobers and Kallis' is a misnomer. Kallis is moderately better than Worrell and Dexter as a batting all rounder and pretty far from Sobers.

 

[Coronis]

'Sobers and Kallis' is a misnomer. Kallis is moderately better than Worrell and Dexter as a batting all rounder and pretty far from Sobers.

Ah something new and refreshing.

 

[Kenneth Viljoen]

'Sobers and Kallis' is a misnomer. Kallis is moderately better than Worrell and Dexter as a batting all rounder and pretty far from Sobers.

Kallis must be the only cricketer that ever existed that could bowl 90 mph and not be considered a proper bowler

 

[trundler]

Ah something new and refreshing.

I compared him to cricketers primarily seen in black and white footage so you should be onboard with this

 

[Migara]

Shakib Al Hasan has definitely entered the discussion since 2014.

 

[Anthony Clayden]

Just to prove you can do anything with stats

Doug Walter Av 48 bat 29 ball but only 49 wickets from 74 matches, 19 run differential between averages

 

[CricAddict]

The answer

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Hammond

(I consider Miller and Faulkner as balanced allrounders)

 

[Fuller Pilch]

The answer

3 100s in 96 innings does not make a batting allrounder.

 

[Anthony Clayden]

3 100s in 96 innings does not make a batting allrounder.

Walters had 15 x 100s in 125 innings, it is the single 5 for, that probably rules him out

Hammond is very much in Walters category...more than part timer but not quite all rounder, almost need a different category
Batting Almostrounders or batting partnership breakers

 

[Silver Line]

Steve Tikolo

 

[Adorable Asshole]

Steve Tikolo

Never played test

 

[Silver Line]

Im joking….

in all seriousness the correct answer to this thread is, Bob Simpson.

 

[shortpitched713]

The answer

He's a genuine balanced allrounder, for mine.

 

[Majestic]

Sobers
Imran
Kallis
Botham
Miller
Kapil
Stokes
Cairns
T Greig
Shakib
Jadeja
Flintoff
Vettori