Here's an idea for Englands ODI squad!!

[Richard]

So which one isn't?

Ramprakash isn't in there

Solanki is every bit as out-of-position as Ramprakash was in First-Class-cricket.
Sadly, that experiment wasn't abandoned quick enough (probably mostly because of a wholly impressive 164* against the mighty Shropshire), unlike the Ramprakash one.

 

[Richard]

I've got an idea then.

Ban people below number 8 from batting because that just ruins the game.

If these bowlers are so good, then how come they don't get the "rubbish" batsmen out?

Because believe it or not, no-one can bowl well all the time.
For me, I don't like seeing someone slogged by some people who normally wouldn't be capable of doing so.

 

[Swervy]

Because believe it or not, no-one can bowl well all the time.
For me, I don't like seeing someone slogged by some people who normally wouldn't be capable of doing so.

So you didnt even raise a slight smile when Harmison hit that 30 odd vs WI the other week

 

[Richard]

Well, that was all crap bowlers - I certanly won't be smiling if he does it to Ntini and Nel this winter (though I can't see it's very likely).
Also, it was a wholly needless innings that didn't make any difference to the match-situation - and you can go on all you like about mental demoralisation, I don't think it made a difference and you can't prove it did.

 

[marc71178]

Solanki is every bit as out-of-position as Ramprakash was in First-Class-cricket.

In spite of the fact he's been doing it for a fair while now and is getting results in that position in List A games?

Just because he didn't start there, doesn't mean he's out of position now.

 

[marc71178]

Because believe it or not, no-one can bowl well all the time.

Yet you think Batsmen can concentrate for every ball?

If they were that good then they wouldn't be troubled by the tail.

 

[Richard]

In spite of the fact he's been doing it for a fair while now and is getting results in that position in List A games?

Just because he didn't start there, doesn't mean he's out of position now.

One season of success doesn't make someone a player of position.

 

[Richard]

Yet you think Batsmen can concentrate for every ball?

If they were that good then they wouldn't be troubled by the tail.

No, I don't think batsmen can concentrate for every ball.
Anyone who thought that would be totally insane.
But I don't think bowlers deserve any credit for their inability to do so.

 

[marc71178]

One season of success doesn't make someone a player of position.

He's been doing it for several seasons now.

Just because this season he's been more successful doesn't change the fact that he's been doing it for a while, so is not out of position in doing it.

 

[marc71178]

No, I don't think batsmen can concentrate for every ball.

Yet you don't think they succomb to pressure?

If these bowlers are as good as you make out, then they would dismiss tail enders quickly - especially since the fall of one wicket brings about it being more likely another will fall (now)

 

[Richard]

He's been doing it for several seasons now.

Just because this season he's been more successful doesn't change the fact that he's been doing it for a while, so is not out of position in doing it.

He became a regular opener in 2003 and had no success there in that season.
He has only had success there this summer.

 

[Richard]

Yet you don't think they succomb to pressure?

No, I don't think the bowlers deserve any credit if they do (in the First-Class game, if the pressure is caused by a slow rate). There is a difference. It is a difference you still appear not to have understood.

If these bowlers are as good as you make out, then they would dismiss tail enders quickly - especially since the fall of one wicket brings about it being more likely another will fall (now)

Yes, they would - more often than not. And they do.
But I dislike it intensely when it does not happen like this.

 

[Craig]

No, it's not fun, not if good bowlers are involved.
There is absolutely nothing worse, for me, than seeing good bowlers slogged by tail-enders.
Fun seeing crap ones slogged, though - like Harmison being hammered all over The Oval by Harbhajan.

If a good bowler runs in and bowls a bad ball/s, what is the batsman (tailender or other wise) supposed to do? Block it?

 

[Richard]

And if a perfectly decent bowler runs in and bowls three well-directed length-balls at 79mph on middle that are swung to and over the square-leg boundary, and hasn't got anything left in the tank having sweated it out for 4 for 100 in searing heat on a pitch offering no seam, for that 88mph spearing Yorker, that's what gets at me.
If someone bowls three Half-Volleys, they're likely to get tanked and deserve to be.

 

[Jamee999]

So basicly you don't want batsman to hit a bad ball because the bowlers made a mistake

That's like not attempting to catch an edge because the batsman's made an edge

 

[Son Of Coco]

No, I don't think batsmen can concentrate for every ball.
Anyone who thought that would be totally insane.
But I don't think bowlers deserve any credit for their inability to do so.

You've said before Richard that you think good batsmen wouldn't be troubled by pressure, but then these same batsmen can't concentrate for every ball. I think the secret is to concentrate on the delivery and then turn off. It's a bit similar to a golfer not being able to concentrate for 4 and a half hours, but being able to concentrate for the 20-30 seconds it takes to play each shot.

What exactly are they doing if they're not concentrating when the ball is being bowled?

 

[marc71178]

No, I don't think the bowlers deserve any credit if they do (in the First-Class game, if the pressure is caused by a slow rate). There is a difference. It is a difference you still appear not to have understood.

So where has the pressure come from?

The bowlers.

 

[Richard]

So basicly you don't want batsman to hit a bad ball because the bowlers made a mistake

That's like not attempting to catch an edge because the batsman's made an edge

No, I don't, I don't want to see good balls being slogged by "batsmen" who wouldn't normally be capable of doing so.

 

[Richard]

So where has the pressure come from?

The bowlers.

No, the batsman's mistaken thought-process.
Worrying about the scoring-rate when he need not.

 

[Son Of Coco]

No, I don't, I don't want to see good balls being slogged by "batsmen" who wouldn't normally be capable of doing so.

Neither do I Richard, neither do I (we've had this conversation before! haha)