Harry Brook vs Viv Richards

[Johan]

Waqar? His peak was surreal.

an insane peak aided by bottlecaps but even then English and Australians found a way around him, he was a Andy Caddick level bowler for 60% of his career and doesn't have anything for Anderson's longetivity.

 

[DrWolverine]

Roberts has more peer acclaim
Anderson did for longer time

 

[kyear2]

Joe Root is arguably the second best test batsman in the last 15 years but doesn’t make him better than Sachin.

Doesn't make him top 15 / 20 either tbf.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Like that was the dumbest ****ing thing ever. I'm seeing him in top 10 lists, and I mean cricketers not only bowlers.

That's what happens when we take this longevity bullshit too far.

Part of the reason guys like Anderson and Root get overrated is because England haven’t produced any bonafide ATG batsmen/bowlers since 1970

 

[Johan]

ABD? Did he really play that much post 2010?

he played decently about until 2015

 

[DrWolverine]

an insane peak aided by bottlecaps but even then English and Australians found a way around him, he was a Andy Caddick level bowler for 60% of his career and doesn't have anything for Anderson's longetivity.

Was it actually proved?

One of the reason I have Akram/Waqar lower than other fast bowling legends is because I don’t trust them 100%

 

[Johan]

Anderson is not at the same level as Waqar but I can see the argument for him being greater than Roberts

My condolences Waqar and Shoaib are horribly overrated

 

[DrWolverine]

Part of the reason guys like Anderson and Root get overrated is because England haven’t produced any bonafide ATG batsmen/bowlers since 1970

The last great batsman from England was Ken Barrington so obviously they will be excited they finally have an ATG player.

 

[kyear2]

The last great batsman from England was Ken Barrington so obviously they will be excited they finally have an ATG player.

Who?

 

[PlayerComparisons]

My condolences Waqar and Shoaib are horribly overrated

Most people don’t really rate Shoaib that highly though lol

 

[DrWolverine]

England ATGs : Hobbs, Sutcliffe, Hammond, Barrington, Compton, Trueman,

England ATGs in last 50 years : Boycott & Root.
That’s it.

 

[DrWolverine]

Who?

Joe Root.

 

[Johan]

Was it actually proved?

One of the reason I have Akram/Waqar lower than other fast bowling legends is because I don’t trust them 100%

It's one of those things that is pretty obvious, back then everyone tampered a little bit but Pakistan did it extremely to the point Imran's own teammate in Qadir was annoyed by it, also, look at the home and away disparencies of Waqar and Imran.

 

[Johan]

Most people don’t really rate Shoaib that highly though lol

Don't you take other forums and platforms into account? Shoaib is def overrated on some by the pace is pace yaar crowd.

 

[DrWolverine]

That’s one of the reasons why Sarfaraz Nawaz’s 7-1 is not considered as impressive as Curtly Ambrose’s 7-1

 

[PlayerComparisons]

England ATGs : Hobbs, Sutcliffe, Hammond, Barrington, Compton, Trueman,

England ATGs in last 50 years : Boycott & Root.
That’s it.

Guys like Compton and Boycott are English greats for sure but I wouldn’t rate them as ATGs personally. You missed Hutton though who is definitely an ATG.

 

[DrWolverine]

Not sure about Compton
Boycott was definitely very good

 

[DrWolverine]

317 (322), 98.44 SR, 3 s
186 (176), 105.68 SR, 5 s
171 (197), 86.8 SR, 3 s
153 (116), 131.89 SR, 5 s
111 (150), 74.00 SR, 3 s
109 (132), 82.57 SR
108 (149), 72.48 SR, 1
123(115), 112.90 SR, 5 s

Harry Brooks
A great entertainer

 

[Johan]

English ATG batters are Hobbs, Sutcliffe, Hammond, Hutton, you can make an argument for May, Barrington and then Root.

English ATG bowlers would be uhhh hmm Barnes, then Laker (among spinners), Trueman and then Anderson.

 

[thierry henry]

I (weirdly) restrained myself from posting this comparison earlier today, I didn't realise there was already a thread.

I imagine that watching Brook now might be like watching Viv back in the day - 40 years down the track old timers are waxing lyrical about how "this extraordinary talent changed the game" but actually if you watched at the time you'd know it was just some **** slogging