Harper lets Dhoni have it.

[PhoenixFire]

I meant geriatricismyhero.... my bad

Gold.

 

[GIMH]

It's true. Burgey is my multi. I made it to make sure I win every Ashes series (banking on no tied series tbh).

 

[smash84]

Would somewhat agree with this. Even though more is made of their behaviour than there is, specially by foreign media /boards/staff people etc... because they no longer have the veto power they did previously and full control and they do not like this.
It is more balanced than it is made out to be right now because how tilted it was before one way.



Bangladesh haven't toured Australia either since 2003 and have 2/3 test tours there cancelled due to commercial reasons since then and all the big boards have similar FTP's.

Besides this example is incorrect, because it is not the BCCI which has a problem with Bangladesh touring India , but actually Bangladesh board have wanted India to tour there in exchange of tours here so they can make more money.
Hence ,why India has toured Bangladesh more times than any country for both Tests and ODI's to help them out financially and also keep their vote etc...



It is not just cricket though where the powerful wield more power etc.. but in every damn sport.
In Field Hockey the rules were blatantly changed when India and Pakistan were on top and the game shifted to astro turf and then the offside rule removed because the western countries and Australia could do so and generated the most revenue.This resulted in the fall of the traditional dominant teams.

Meanwhile the likes of Softball, Handball, Baseball, Judo etc... have been Olympic sports because there is a commercial market for them in countries which give most revenue and they want these sports and others in. Who would care if India wanted Cricket or Kabaddi in? Hell they were even dropping wrestling from the commonwealth games.
And the list is on and on in every sport and sporting body......
So it a bit naive to expect any sport not to listen to the financial powerhouse, even though Cricket is a lot more even than most sports in terms of non financial power distribution.

Now coming to the bargaining tactics in the ICC ,hell every board engages in the same and wants to get want they want through.The CA and NZC wanted a shorter world cup next time with less minnows so they were willing to concede last time to delay the UDRS decision.

While this time even the PCB and BCB agreed to support the minnows inclusion into the world cup, in exchange of some of their support to block the rule change for presidency which they did succesfully delay against the might of the CA, ECB and BCCI together due to getting South Africa on board.
So it is a bit naive to assume the BCCI will sit there and roll over when every other board engages in give and take and diplomacy. And BCCI does not get it's way on everything too, as is made out sometimes. Neither do the CA, ECB, BCCI together.

Every board is engaging in give and take not only in the ICC but in every sporting organisation,so why shouldn't the BCCI to get the best for itself when it has more to give in exchange to get it? Would be stupid if they didn't.

gun post tbh

Can't stand Pakistan supporters. Bunch of ****s.

how dare you bring Pakistan into this .........

 

[ankitj]

My victim mentality post is aimed at the idea that people are only criticising Dhoni and isn't aimed at you as to my knowledge you never claimed that. Plenty of others have said or implied that, though and I stand by what I said. And believe me, I've never been calmer.

OK. Respond to this then, so I know if we still differ on something

All said and done, why should we be more inclined to believe Harper? Here are two basic axioms I break the argument into:

(1) Innocent unless proven guilty when we are talking about someone who has no history of offence
(2) Dhoni has no history of offence

Which one of the above two you or others disagree with?

 

[ankitj]

gun post tbh

You just like long posts.

 

[GIMH]

OK. Respond to this then, so I know if we still differ on something

It's all well and good to say he has no history of offence, but given he publically criticised the umpires post-match then I see no reason to believe he wouldn't have done it during the match.

Innocent til proven guilty is for legal purposes, it doesn't mean I have to have concrete evidence to believe something.

 

[Sanz]

I don't blame some Indian fans for reacting like this, infact I feel sorry for them that they are subjected to tripe like this almost on a daily basis :-

‪Daryl Harper's Poor Umpiring‬‏ - YouTube

 

[Sanz]

Also I didn't see Dhoni complaining when Harper's decision went in India's favor :-

‪Mr. Daryl Harper‬‏ - YouTube

 

[Himannv]

Any footage of this "Praveen Kumar" incident where Harper approached Dhoni and got ignored?

 

[Cevno]

hey burgey calm down mate.

I meant geriatricismyhero.... my bad

 

[G.I.Joe]

haha.

 

[Cevno]

I have read and actively participated in many Ponting bashing threads. Seem to remember one in the Ashes forum after he went off on one when UDRS didn't give Pietersen out. That's the most recent example I can think of but there have been far, far, far more discussions about Ponting's conduct than any other player in my time here.

And this is why you guys get labels such as victim mentality thrown at you from time to time. If we're jumping all over an Indian acting like a ****, it must be because we're anti-Indian, not to do with the fact he's acted like a ****. Pointing out what Ponting did in the past is completely irrelevant to whether Dhoni was in the wrong or not, especially as if you look around you'll find heaps of Ponting-bashing.

This also adds to my nouveau riche comments. The idea that English cricket fans would jump all over Dhoni and give Ponting a free pass is ridiculous and smacks of delusions of grandeur. I don't care where you're ranked and how much money your board generate. You could never be important enough for me to start defending Ponting just to make your lot look bad; instead they just manage it all by themselves.

See reply to GF . I never said these things you are on about and you are somewhat missing the point mate.

Ftr, if Dhoni did indeed behave that way then he needs to condemned and punished ,same as what Ponting was/should have been and deserves to be criticised etc...

But at the same time people have expressed doubts about other things like Harper's credibility here considering his situation and him having a motive to exaggerate the situation which is completely valid . Also there is no clarity about whether he can back this up.
Even though Personally, i would go as far as saying that in all probability he is not making things completely up,the context of the comment is important too.

As for the post you are talking about here was made to differentiate between allegations of losing the temper vs Institutionalized bullying something which Harper is trying to claim for his benefits etc seeing his International situation PLUS i gave other examples except Ponting as well. This is where doubts creep in about his intentions even more so, and you're nouveau riche comment becomes objectionable too.
Every International captain almost and many players have such incidents in the past ,Ok Dhoni had one too allegedly, what's the big deal and how is different from the others that it deserves so much attention?

So in short my post wasn't as simplistic as you are making it out to be and i was claiming a certain kind of Inferiority complex or Phobia rather than playing victim, as you put it.

 

[smash84]

You just like long posts.

.....Loser

Cevno in form really..........do really agree with a lot of what he has to say

 

[Cevno]

.....Loser

Cevno in form really..........do really agree with a lot of what he has to say

Howe_Zat/Pews/someone to Sim some matches quick.

It won't last long


Thanks mate

 

[Howe_zat]

I just read through the majority of this thread.

I rate it five stars.

 

[smash84]

I just read through the majority of this thread.

I rate it five stars.

Indeed.

 

[Fusion]

Can't stand Pakistan supporters. Bunch of ****s.

 

[GIMH]

See reply to GF . I never said these things you are on about and you are somewhat missing the point mate.

Ftr, if Dhoni did indeed behave that way then he needs to condemned and punished ,same as what Ponting was/should have been and deserves to be criticised etc...

But at the same time people have expressed doubts about other things like Harper's credibility here considering his situation and him having a motive to exaggerate the situation which is completely valid . Also there is no clarity about whether he can back this up.
Even though Personally, i would go as far as saying that in all probability he is not making things completely up,the context of the comment is important too.

As for the post you are talking about here was made to differentiate between allegations of losing the temper vs Institutionalized bullying something which Harper is trying to claim for his benefits etc seeing his International situation PLUS i gave other examples except Ponting as well. This is where doubts creep in about his intentions even more so, and you're nouveau riche comment becomes objectionable too.
Every International captain almost and many players have such incidents in the past ,Ok Dhoni had one too allegedly, what's the big deal and how is different from the others that it deserves so much attention?

So in short my post wasn't as simplistic as you are making it out to be and i was claiming a certain kind of Inferiority complex or Phobia rather than playing victim, as you put it.

Cevno, with all due respect, did I name you?

I'm not going to name anyone because that's when I start getting emails telling me I've earned some points. But I didn't name you. I do think you have a tendency to try and bring up past wrongs to defend wrongs by your team, but I think you have been a lot fairer than others in this thread.

That being said, there are several posters, in this thread and others, who fit the bill of what I said. Those who do, feel free to be offended. Cevno, don't be.

 

[Burgey]

In Gatting's defence though, those blokes really were ****ing hopeless.

Has anyone seen the footage from that series where Chris Broad is given out stumped and his foot never moves from being about six inches behind the popping crease?

Was the stuff of genius.

 

[HeathDavisSpeed]

I am sure then you can point to me to the dozens of thread for each and every Ponting incident, where it is being claimed that CA and Ponting are out to get everyone....
For example when Benson wanted to quit because of troubles and on field argument with him, or when he charged Dar with fingers pointed towards and called him rubbish.

Well, I'm not going to link you, but I'm certain any time that Ricky Ponting has stepped out of line, he's been appropriately vilified on here.