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Harper lets Dhoni have it.

weldone

weldone

Hall of Fame Member
Cevno said:
Would somewhat agree with this. Even though more is made of their behaviour than there is, specially by foreign media /boards/staff people etc... because they no longer have the veto power they did previously and full control and they do not like this.
It is more balanced than it is made out to be right now because how tilted it was before one way.



Bangladesh haven't toured Australia either since 2003 and have 2/3 test tours there cancelled due to commercial reasons since then and all the big boards have similar FTP's.

Besides this example is incorrect, because it is not the BCCI which has a problem with Bangladesh touring India , but actually Bangladesh board have wanted India to tour there in exchange of tours here so they can make more money.
Hence ,why India has toured Bangladesh more times than any country for both Tests and ODI's to help them out financially and also keep their vote etc...



It is not just cricket though where the powerful wield more power etc.. but in every damn sport.
In Field Hockey the rules were blatantly changed when India and Pakistan were on top and the game shifted to astro turf and then the offside rule removed because the western countries and Australia could do so and generated the most revenue.This resulted in the fall of the traditional dominant teams.

Meanwhile the likes of Softball, Handball, Baseball, Judo etc... have been Olympic sports because there is a commercial market for them in countries which give most revenue and they want these sports and others in. Who would care if India wanted Cricket or Kabaddi in? Hell they were even dropping wrestling from the commonwealth games.
And the list is on and on in every sport and sporting body......
So it a bit naive to expect any sport not to listen to the financial powerhouse, even though Cricket is a lot more even than most sports in terms of non financial power distribution.

Now coming to the bargaining tactics in the ICC ,hell every board engages in the same and wants to get want they want through.The CA and NZC wanted a shorter world cup next time with less minnows so they were willing to concede last time to delay the UDRS decision.

While this time even the PCB and BCB agreed to support the minnows inclusion into the world cup, in exchange of some of their support to block the rule change for presidency which they did succesfully delay against the might of the CA, ECB and BCCI together due to getting South Africa on board.
So it is a bit naive to assume the BCCI will sit there and roll over when every other board engages in give and take and diplomacy. And BCCI does not get it's way on everything too, as is made out sometimes. Neither do the CA, ECB, BCCI together.

Every board is engaging in give and take not only in the ICC but in every sporting organisation,so why shouldn't the BCCI to get the best for itself when it has more to give in exchange to get it? Would be stupid if they didn't.
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...some very valid points made there...
 
Cevno

Cevno

Hall of Fame Member
GingerFurball said:
Lol.

Ponting more than any other cricketer gets stuff blown out of proportion. You guys don't get to act the victim here when your media crucified Ponting for TV gate.
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Way to miss the point.....

I am sure then you can point to me to the dozens of thread for each and every Ponting incident, where it is being claimed that CA and Ponting are out to get everyone....
For example when Benson wanted to quit because of troubles and on field argument with him, or when he charged Dar with fingers pointed towards and called him rubbish.

If Dhoni did say those things, it is condemnable no doubt, but to draw any other conclusion from the incident like Harper is clearly trying to do, other than him losing his temper like Ponting does is clearly motivated.


Migara said:
If Dhoni said so, it's an atrocious attitude.
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Absolutely.
If he did it, then he should be punished.

But have serious doubts about Harper exxagerating the situation more than what it was considering all of his comments(some unwarranted) after the series and where his career was headed. And him trying to draw other conclusions from it is even more suspect considering it, which he is clearly trying to do as he has had criticism before and even responded to it.
 
ankitj

ankitj

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
We were all watching the match live. Did anyone feel from looks of it, that something to the effect of intimidating was being done by Dhoni? I did not feel so, neither do I remember anyone on CW posting on the official series thread at that time that they noticed something untoward. Just asking because we are talking about evidence and probabilities.
 
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honestbharani

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
8ankitj said:
We were all watching the match live. Did anyone feel from looks of it, that something to the effect of intimidating was being done by Dhoni? I did not feel so, neither do I remember anyone on CW posting on the official series thread at that time that they noticed something untoward. Just asking because we are talking about evidence and probabilities.
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Why bring sense or logic into it? It is not like the anti-Indian cricket posters are gonna worry too much about things like that when posting on Indian cricket.. :p
 
ankitj

ankitj

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PhoenixFire

PhoenixFire

International Coach
8ankitj said:
We were all watching the match live. Did anyone feel from looks of it, that something to the effect of intimidating was being done by Dhoni? I did not feel so, neither do I remember anyone on CW posting on the official series thread at that time that they noticed something untoward. Just asking because we are talking about evidence and probabilities.
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Yeah because when you watch something on TV you can get the exact sense of situation you can do when you are there in real life.
 
GIMH

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
I have read and actively participated in many Ponting bashing threads. Seem to remember one in the Ashes forum after he went off on one when UDRS didn't give Pietersen out. That's the most recent example I can think of but there have been far, far, far more discussions about Ponting's conduct than any other player in my time here.

And this is why you guys get labels such as victim mentality thrown at you from time to time. If we're jumping all over an Indian acting like a ****, it must be because we're anti-Indian, not to do with the fact he's acted like a ****. Pointing out what Ponting did in the past is completely irrelevant to whether Dhoni was in the wrong or not, especially as if you look around you'll find heaps of Ponting-bashing.

This also adds to my nouveau riche comments. The idea that English cricket fans would jump all over Dhoni and give Ponting a free pass is ridiculous and smacks of delusions of grandeur. I don't care where you're ranked and how much money your board generate. You could never be important enough for me to start defending Ponting just to make your lot look bad; instead they just manage it all by themselves.
 
GIMH

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
8ankj I haven't opened your links but it's got to be the worst attempt at making a point I've ever seen. And I've read thousands of posts by Cevno.

Let me get this straight - if the highlights don't show Dhoni talking to Harper then it suggests he never said anything? Really? Serious? The highlights were shown about three weeks ago, and Harper revealed these comments yesterday (I think). Do you realise how stoooopif your attempt at making a point is?

And as for linking to a match thread...well again, I haven't opened it as I'm browsing on my phone. But is a match thread made up of majority India fans meant to be persuade me of something?

Posts like that prove that whoever said everyone is entitled to an opinion was a ****ing idiot.
 
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ankitj

ankitj

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
GeraintIsMyHero said:
8ankj I haven't opened your links but it's got to be the worst attempt at making a point I've ever seen. And I've read thousands of posts by Cevno.

Let me get this straight - if the highlights don't show Dhoni talking to Harper then it suggests he never said anything? Really? Serious? The highlights were shown about three weeks ago, and Harper revealed these comments yesterday (I think). Do you realise how ******** your attempt at a point is?

And as for linking to a match thread...well again, I haven't opened it as I'm browsing on my phone. But is a match thread made up of majority India fans meant to be persuade me of something?

Posts like that prove that whoever said everyone is entitled to an opinion was a ****ing idiot.
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Get my id right :p

I am only trying to urge everyone to remember from what they saw during the match. (EDIT: Point is that a large majority of times when some exchange of unpleasant arguments happen, something about the body language gets captured on the camera) Ignoring all your colourful language.

On victim mentality - it's easy for me to turn it around and say that defence of an individual, Dhoni, is being construed as a case of defending anyone who's Indian. Find others as examples of victim mentality, I am certainly not one.

All said and done, why should we be more inclined to believe Harper? Here are two basic axioms I break the argument into:

(1) Innocent unless proven guilty when we are talking about someone who has no history of offence
(2) Dhoni has no history of offence

Which one of the above two you or others disagree with? Someone like Sreesanth or Kohli would fail on (2)
 
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Fusion

Fusion

Global Moderator
Everyone – please calm down and take a break from this thread if you can’t control your tempers. There will be infractions handed out for each post that crosses the line. I would hate for any one of you passionate fans to be banned when the actual series starts. So let’s all relax shall we? :)
 
ankitj

ankitj

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Fusion said:
Everyone – please calm down and take a break from this thread if you can’t control your tempers. There will be infractions handed out for each post that crosses the line. I would hate for any one of you passionate fans to be banned when the actual series starts. So let’s all relax shall we? :)
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We are good, Fusion :) Let me continue the argument. I promise to not cross the line but I am determined to argue it. Allow me.
 
GIMH

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
My victim mentality post is aimed at the idea that people are only criticising Dhoni and isn't aimed at you as to my knowledge you never claimed that. Plenty of others have said or implied that, though and I stand by what I said. And believe me, I've never been calmer.
 
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