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Group 1 Second Round - Sri Lanka, England, South Africa, New Zealand, Netherlands

Zinzan

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NZ deserved the points, thought they never lost grip of the game after grinding England down after their fast start
 

YorksLanka

International Debutant
what a shame that DL came into the decision on this match..it was shaping up to be an interesting match..looks like Broad will be getting a hefty fine for his after match comments - unless daddy swings it for him again...:blink:
 
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Pothas

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Yeah an innings that short is just stupid. I Missed today. How great was Moeen? I am guessing pretty great.
 

DingDong

State Captain
can't believe an umpire could pull a stunt like this against the tier 1 scum. maybe next time australia can pass a rule to make sure tier 1 teams make the semis automatically
 

HeathDavisSpeed

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The highlights packages are utter ****e.

Halfway through the England innings on screen comes "COMING UP: ENGLAND SET HUGE TOTAL"

Just as they start to show the NZ innings, on screen comes "COMING UP: NZ WIN IN 5.2 OVERS"

I mean, seriously. What the **** is that about. How would the Likely Lads ever have survived with such ****.
 

wpdavid

Hall of Fame Member
The highlights packages are utter ****e.

Halfway through the England innings on screen comes "COMING UP: ENGLAND SET HUGE TOTAL"

Just as they start to show the NZ innings, on screen comes "COMING UP: NZ WIN IN 5.2 OVERS"

I mean, seriously. What the **** is that about. How would the Likely Lads ever have survived with such ****.
Lovely 1970's reference, which must have been wasted on 95% of CWers. Ironically I think the punchline in that episode was that the Bulgaria vs England match was rained off too.

As for Broad, yup he'll be in trouble, but his comments were spot on.
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
IIRC Brian Glover (RIP) shouts "England won 2-0" as our heroes exit stage left after pursuing a beer.

#imoldtoo
 

flibbertyjibber

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Ha, watched Alien 3 last night with Brian Glover in, great actor.

The game being ruined by the rain sums up England's winter.



Ouch, just looked and Brian Glover died 17 years ago. Makes you feel old.
 
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SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
Disagree, I think this match just ended too early to say either side deserved a win.
Quite probably right, but I'm more comfortable with there being a result. Easy to say as a Kiwi but no one was about to be killed by lightning, so staying out there to get to a point where there was a result seemed fair enough to me. If they're standing out there with metal rods in their hands, fair enough

Broad can sook all he wants but if he goes for less than 10 off the over, and England wins, I'm not certain he would've kept the same stance in a meteorological sense. Another piece of bibliography for the Stuart Broad is a hypocrite story
 

hendrix

Hall of Fame Member
Lovely 1970's reference, which must have been wasted on 95% of CWers. Ironically I think the punchline in that episode was that the Bulgaria vs England match was rained off too.

As for Broad, yup he'll be in trouble, but his comments were spot on.
I'm not a fan of punishing Broad for his comments, but his comments were wrong.

They played the 5 overs and England had not taken enough wickets or stemmed the run rate enough to win. Had he said "5 overs isn't enough to constitute a game" I would have agree with him, but that's not what he said. He was saying that it was even after 4 overs, and the last over cost them the game.

What's unfair about the last over costing England the game?
 

SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
As for Broad, yup he'll be in trouble, but his comments were spot on.
Rubbish. Here's a direct quote: 'I think it was distinctly average decision-making keeping us on after the first lightning strike at the start of the fifth over, keeping us on throughout that," Broad said. "That over has obviously given us a loss.'

The fact that his over went for 16 had near-zero to do with how dangerous lightning is, at least in a physical sense. The rain, perhaps, but his bowling action wasn't tilted off axis by a lightning bolt. I imagine his reasoning would be mentally he felt they should come off, but that's probably largely circumstantial on the game situation as opposed to his stance on dangerous weather. Would anyone honestly think that if his over had gone for three, knocked over McCullum and England had won that he'd still have said 'we should've gone off?' Especially if it was early in the over that the wicket came, he'd be staying out there every day of the week to get a result.

He then goes on to say the crowds safety should've been paramount - hilarious. Fairly certain the crowd can sort themselves out for taking cover without an umpire's decision. Nice you thought of them though Stuart.

I agree with Hendrix in that 5 overs perhaps shouldn't constitute a game but that wasn't his angle.

And yes, that over did give them a loss because he got pumped twice over the ropes. As Hendrix also said, what's the unfair part there?

"In cricket you win some and you lose some": (c) Sir Kyle Mills. Stuey of all people should know that by now.
 
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Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
I'm not a fan of punishing Broad for his comments, but his comments were wrong.

They played the 5 overs and England had not taken enough wickets or stemmed the run rate enough to win. Had he said "5 overs isn't enough to constitute a game" I would have agree with him, but that's not what he said. He was saying that it was even after 4 overs, and the last over cost them the game.

What's unfair about the last over costing England the game?
I believe his point was that they should not have played the last over when lightning had already been sighted? Arguing that play should have stopped then, and the lightning was visible before the end of the 5th over.
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
The fact that his over went for 16 had near-zero to do with how dangerous lightning is, at least in a physical sense. The rain, perhaps, but his bowling action wasn't tilted off axis by a lightning bolt. I imagine his reasoning would be mentally he felt they should come off, but that's probably largely circumstantial on the game situation as opposed to his stance on dangerous weather. Would anyone honestly think that if his over had gone for three, knocked over McCullum and England had won that he'd still have said 'we should've gone off?' Especially if it was early in the over that the wicket came, he'd be staying out there every day of the week to get a result.
Yes this is a good point, no doubt they would not have complained had they ended up winning.

Taking this game out of it though and just looking at the issue alone, I do think players need to go off for lightning immediately. IMO it is unsettling.
 

HeathDavisSpeed

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Lovely 1970's reference, which must have been wasted on 95% of CWers. Ironically I think the punchline in that episode was that the Bulgaria vs England match was rained off too.
IIRC Brian Glover (RIP) shouts "England won 2-0" as our heroes exit stage left after pursuing a beer.

#imoldtoo
One of the greatest pieces of British sitcom history that episode. Fantastic.


Ha, watched Alien 3 last night with Brian Glover in, great actor.
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Ouch, just looked and Brian Glover died 17 years ago. Makes you feel old.
Alien 3 is a who's who of British acting. Shame that it was overall a production and financial disaster. Particularly enjoyed Clive Mantle (then of Casualty fame, more recently of having his ear bitten off by rampaging teenagers in a hotel fame) getting his Hollywood debut as a prisoner with a load of bandages on his head.
 

SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
Yes this is a good point, no doubt they would not have complained had they ended up winning.

Taking this game out of it though and just looking at the issue alone, I do think players need to go off for lightning immediately. IMO it is unsettling.
Absolutely there is a need to have an ICC policy on it, just as they do with rain etc. Otherwise there's a grey area as there was here.

Not aware if Brendon did a presser but I haven't heard him too critical of the decision to play on, despite Broad's insistence they were going to bring both sides off. Stuey should've said he believed they should've gone off, there should be a policy on lightning, 5 overs is a bit mickey mouse to constitute a game but gee it's a shame I keep getting humped for sixes in T20 World events and that's probably why we lost in the end. Least this over went for 20 less than his high water mark.

Only thing I'd agree with Broad on is that being fined for what he said is pathetic. Unless I've missed something he only said it was average decision-making, yes? Same as he'd say an umpire got it wrong for not giving out a nick off a teenaged left-arm orthodox that veers at left angles to slip.
 

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