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International Debutant
Who are the soap dodgers
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Group 1 (Afghanistan, Australia, England, New Zealand, Sri Lanka, Ireland)
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Moss
International Captain
Yeah, likely he wasn’t aware it was grassed but anyone with less of a nice guy reputation would probably be crucified for that one.
wpdavid
Hall of Fame Member
It's an Australian term of affection for the English.Who are the soap dodgers
Yeah, we all know he'd have been dropped. He would've been dropped a few times over the past 3-4 years. He should be dropped now.
I'm not a fan of pissing on monuments, and nor do I think Kane lost us that game last night - there just wasn't enough contributions other than Phillips. But we're at a stage where if he faces more than 10-15 balls he's a significant detriment to our side. As another poster said, the only real use for him is 14-4 or some such, and even then let's face it, he isn't even in consistent slow run-scoring form.
If we make the semis, and the other side makes 170-180+, he's a dead weight. The very least they should do is float him down, as England did so effectively with Malan last night. If they think it's going to affect the side dropping the captain, then at least do that. And to be honest, at some stage the moral fibre of the guy (isn't he a selector, or at least gets his way on his XIs?) needs to be of such that he says nah, I'm cooked here guys, Chapman is a better fit. Because we all know he'd drop a guy scoring runs the way he is without a shadow of doubt.
Even an improvement to 50 off 40, that means at the point when Kane gets out, we'd have been 130-3 with 5 overs to go, which is eminently chaseable. That strike rate of 125 I think we'd accept from Kane. Again, we failed in the last 5 overs which wasn't all Kane, but 60 off 31 is much much different to 50 off 31.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
Mistook this for somewhere else huh?
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
Its all a ploy to unleash the Mean Green... The real Hulk.
Everton Seymour
U19 Debutant
Kane Williamson is to blame for that loss mate , he dropped Buttler when he was on 8 , bloke goes on to make a match winning 70 odd . Then with the bat he faces a third of the innings at a run a ball ...I mean when he departed the run rate required was 12 an over the batsmen coming in was either hit out or get out .
I thought England were excellent today under significant pressure against a really good NZ team.
Our death bowling - Woakes & Curren were excellent, particularly as this has been our achilles heel for a while now.
Still work to do against Sri Lanka which won't be straight forward as the Aussies will almost certainly beat Afghanistan.
I just hope the weather behaves itself and whatever the outcome, its decided on the pitch.
Our death bowling - Woakes & Curren were excellent, particularly as this has been our achilles heel for a while now.
Still work to do against Sri Lanka which won't be straight forward as the Aussies will almost certainly beat Afghanistan.
I just hope the weather behaves itself and whatever the outcome, its decided on the pitch.
grecian
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Didn't quite get all the ire over Woakes after the Ireland match, it was one bad match and he's been pretty good in T20 otherwise recently. Sam Curran has proven me wrong though.
Still don't think the batting line-up looks quite right, and it'd be nice if Rashid could start taking wickets again.
Still don't think the batting line-up looks quite right, and it'd be nice if Rashid could start taking wickets again.
Migara
International Coach
If we manage to smash ENG then both England and us don't deserve to be in semi finals.
Woakes has been a steady performance for a while now in T20's and is a key part of our attack. He's good with the new ball and has improved alot at the death. He can also score useful runs and is solid in the field.
Rashid is a concern, he was quite poor today on a helpful pitch and has barely taken a wicket since he landed in Australia.
The batting doesn't look quite right in the middle order. Stokes isn't in great form, and Livingston is always a bit hit and miss. If the top 3 don't get runs then despite having good depth, we do look a touch light.
But we're in decent shape overall and whilst it's a wide open tournament, we have as good a shout as anyone of lifting the trophy.
Rashid is a concern, he was quite poor today on a helpful pitch and has barely taken a wicket since he landed in Australia.
The batting doesn't look quite right in the middle order. Stokes isn't in great form, and Livingston is always a bit hit and miss. If the top 3 don't get runs then despite having good depth, we do look a touch light.
But we're in decent shape overall and whilst it's a wide open tournament, we have as good a shout as anyone of lifting the trophy.
pomnotenglish
School Boy/Girl Cricketer
Chinks in the Kiwi armour T20 exposed today.
-Terrible bowling let Eng off the hook. On a day when Kiwi pacers are taken to the cleaners, they don't seem to have any plan B making their attack look one-dimensional at times. Not sure about the might of their spinners too against the top teams.
-KW was never a T20 batsman and that was on ample display today.
-When was the last time Jimmy Neesham played an innings of substance?
-Have never understood why Southee is asked to bowl near-death overs but they continue to persist anyway.
-Terrible bowling let Eng off the hook. On a day when Kiwi pacers are taken to the cleaners, they don't seem to have any plan B making their attack look one-dimensional at times. Not sure about the might of their spinners too against the top teams.
-KW was never a T20 batsman and that was on ample display today.
-When was the last time Jimmy Neesham played an innings of substance?
-Have never understood why Southee is asked to bowl near-death overs but they continue to persist anyway.
KW is an outstanding player but like Root for England and now Smith for the Aussies, I wonder if he scores quickly enough in T20's.
His innings today typified this - a run a ball 40 isn't going to get the job done.
Malan does the same job for Engalnd and whilst I haven't looked the stats up, I bet Malan's SR is better than KW's.
His innings today typified this - a run a ball 40 isn't going to get the job done.
Malan does the same job for Engalnd and whilst I haven't looked the stats up, I bet Malan's SR is better than KW's.
I can see this perspective, for sure. People drop catches, that one wasn't easy (although international players should've taken it). Mitchell dropped him as well, and everyone bar Phillips (and Santner I suppose) failed to perform with the bat. All three seamers went at over 10s. So really, only 3 guys performed, the spinners + Phillips (who if we're picking holes, should've been caught on 15 too). You don't generally win games of T20 when one batsman does his job, hence why I wouldn't say Kane is to blame - but certainly I can see what you're saying.
Boult is a world class performer, but Ferguson hasn't done the job at international level for a fair while now. Southee is a very hit and miss T20 bowler, who is a sitting duck on good batting wickets. As for his death bowling, we don't really have much choice. Although I've always been a believer that Neesham should be doing it, even if he doesn't bowl earlier overs. He has a decent slower ball and can hit an angle into blockhole that is hard to get away - although I acknowledge his radar is sometimes way off. As usual, we were massively indebted to Santner and somewhat surprisingly that Sodhi was outstanding yesterday, never really missed his lines or lengths.
As for Neesham's batting, that might be a touch harsh - he made a vital 26* off 13 against Australia to continue the momentum, and in terms of fulfilling that 25-30 at 200 strike rate (which is his job) you look through his T20I history and there's plenty of them. But yeah, the shot last night was pretty weak. And he's pretty easy to work out on bigger grounds, hang guys back on the leg side and force him to try clear 80m boundaries fetching it from outside off.
Livingstone strikes me as a Glenn Maxwell, bats in the highlights and outrageousness stakes sort of guy. Massively talented hitter but gets twitchy if he's not doing crazy stuff. The ball he scooped for four off Ferguson was a fluke, an inside edge that he clearly didn't have mastery of...then he did it again, almost as if he wanted to prove to himself it wasn't a fluke. It was probably in the hole if he'd stood still and hit it straight.