Salamuddin
International Debutant
Beleg said:
Beleg sahib, Well I'm merely pointing out if people think JOnes is good, well what do theyt say about Waqar because he could do even more with the ball than Jones and at higher pace.
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Greatest Pakistani fast bowler - Wasim or Imran?
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Beleg sahib, Well I'm merely pointing out if people think JOnes is good, well what do theyt say about Waqar because he could do even more with the ball than Jones and at higher pace.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
Waqar's is a case I've recently been compelled (by tec, of course) to study...BoyBrumby said:
Early in his career there's little doubt that Waqar was a phenomenon the like of which cricket has rarely seen, but equally he was relatively ineffective for quite a lot of the time after that.
For mine, Waqar was a bowler of rare skill for a time, but that time was relatively speaking short enough for him to fall just short of the very top post-1970 pantheon of Marshall, Hadlee, Imran, Ambrose, Donald, Holding, Garner, McGrath, Wasim. He fits, IMO, in the 2nd tier of Lillee, Gillespie, Pollock, de Villiers, Willis, Bishop, Walsh.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
Indeed - it's over-enthusiastic of anyone to compare the two, really, though there's no doubt they share some similar virtues.Salamuddin said:
So far, though, Jones has only really demonstrated devastating, Waqar-esque bowling for a single series. He has to do plenty more than that to be rated close to Waqar.
Incidentally... when was Waqar clocked at 150kph? Would he have been timed (accurately - ie not in 1996 when he was measured at 75mph average
) until 1999\2000? If he was still bowling at 150ks in 1998\99 or 1999\2000... God knows how quick he was in 1994.Likewise... Donald definately was bowling at 92mph in 1998. How quick was he, do we reckon, in 1994?
Xuhaib
International Coach
I will not vote since i cant seperate the two.
Speaking of Waqar i cant forget that golden period in which he use to regularly bowl spells like 6-3, 4-8, 5-6. These spells came with so regularity that even when the opposition needed some thing like 50 runs with 9 wickets in hand, one would still have a believe that the match could be won.
Speaking of Waqar i cant forget that golden period in which he use to regularly bowl spells like 6-3, 4-8, 5-6. These spells came with so regularity that even when the opposition needed some thing like 50 runs with 9 wickets in hand, one would still have a believe that the match could be won.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
If you are willing to judge Waqar purely on the 1989-1994 period he is the greatest seamer of the modern era... better even than Marshall.
I, however, am not, and find it more accurate to say that he was a sensation for a relatively short period of time and a pretty average bowler for much of the rest of his career - which numbered plenty more matches than his sensational period.
I, however, am not, and find it more accurate to say that he was a sensation for a relatively short period of time and a pretty average bowler for much of the rest of his career - which numbered plenty more matches than his sensational period.
Fusion
Global Moderator
I tend to agree with those that give the edge to Wasim. Imran at his peak may have been better, but Wasim takes the edge overall for me. Waqar is not that far behind the two. Alas, it's a shame the two W's couldn't get along better in the 90's. They could've gotten even better results for Team Pakistan.
SJS
Hall of Fame Member
I think I would take bowlers at their peak (peak not being one test or even one series or a couple of them. But some players retire very close to their peaks and others linger on well past them (kapil) and one tends to rate the latter lower.
Similarly some blossom early and other take longer.
Taken at his best (which must be close to a 6-8 year period) Imran was the better bowler. I think by more than the whisker some have suggested than Wasim at his best.
Similarly some blossom early and other take longer.
Taken at his best (which must be close to a 6-8 year period) Imran was the better bowler. I think by more than the whisker some have suggested than Wasim at his best.
BlackCap_Fan
State Vice-Captain
Holy crap! Reminds me of Hadlee's 9/52.Armadillo said:
I'd have to say Wasim. Just. Waqar, at his peak, was the most destructive bowler in the world, but Wasim seemed to do it for ages and ages.
Richard, those stats are nothing short of incredible.
RolledOver
U19 Debutant
I would say Imran!
Akram under performed after Imran's retirement deliberately, and as such i'm even more confident in naming Imran as the better pacer.
Akram under performed after Imran's retirement deliberately, and as such i'm even more confident in naming Imran as the better pacer.
adharcric
International Coach
i cant say much about ten years from now, but currently young know alls (like meSJS said:You are right but. ten years leter, on this very forum, young know alls will tell you, you are talking crap
) will agree that we were blessed in the 90s. longing for the days of wasim, donald & ambrose ... i didnt even see them enough in the early-mid 90s.ten years later ~ you might be right, who knows, one may say "forget wasim and waqar .. today we've got freddie & simon, lee & tait, munaf & vikram!"
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BlackCap_Fan
State Vice-Captain
?Anil said: