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That was the crazy collapse when WI had it in the bag wasn't it?One game you missed is AUS vs WI QF in 1996 . It was also a very high quality game
That was the crazy collapse when WI had it in the bag wasn't it?One game you missed is AUS vs WI QF in 1996 . It was also a very high quality game
One of India's top 3 ODI wins in last ~30 years. It was watershed in that from that point onwards India no longer relied exclusively on Tendulkar (and to a lesser extent Ganguly). It was also the point after which chasing big totals was no longer an inept scramble but had a method.No Indian fan here has the NatWest 2002 final as their favorite?
I mean…both games had similar scores, so you’re basically saying that a game with lots of successes and lots of failures is better than one where everyone chips in a bit. I wouldn’t say that’s self-evidently true at all but I take your point. A lot of gun cricketers flopped in that 1999 SF, as a corollary to what you’re saying.It wasn't just that the 99 game had more ATGs, but that several of them performed in the same game.
Donald and Pollock took four and five wickets respectively.
Bevan and Steve Waugh saved Australia.
Warne produced one of the greatest spells ever by an ODI spinner.
Kallis and Rhodes rescued SA, and then Klusener took them near the finishing line.
So in the same game, you saw worldclass pace, seam, spin, middle order scoring and late order hitting.
The 2019 game, I didn't feel NZ was an underdog but a near competitor. England had a great side too. There were some great batting heroics and the finish was the best ever, but not the all-round excellence of the 99 game where we saw ODI skills of the highest order.
I am saying, if we are calling a game the greatest ever, then outstanding performances by some of the best cricketers ever would be part of that, rather than a bunch of middling performances by lesser known cricketers that nobody can recall, aside from Stokes/Buttler's contributions.I mean…both games had similar scores, so you’re basically saying that a game with lots of successes and lots of failures is better than one where everyone chips in a bit. I wouldn’t say that’s self-evidently true at all but I take your point. A lot of gun cricketers flopped in that 1999 SF, as a corollary to what you’re saying.
I agree that given the history (particularly England’s) the outcome of 2019 was far from a fait accompli going in: but it’s absolutely clear that England had by far the better form and recent record going in. They had dominated for the whole WC cycle while NZ’s form had been pretty middling, including in the WC itself.
I'm not writing it off. It's one of the best games I've seen. I just don't think the problems it had put it on the same level as a couple of others.Rank bowlers? NZ had a very strong attack by our standards (especially cos Southee was in a good ODI bowler phase at the time), so you’re basically writing off the standard of the game because SA went in with 4 specialist bowlers -something extremely common throughout ODI history?
Dodgy political cloud?
Rain sure, although I feel like it just added another layer of drama to the game
Anyway, I tend to agree it’s not the winner, but not sure I follow some of your criticisms
Some other things that stand out from the game:The 1999 SF from a historic perspective is also exceptional, since it was a showdown between the two best ODI sides of that era, and basically the side that won ruled ODI cricket for the next 7-8 years. Also from a more poetic perspective, it is SA and Aus’s story both crystallised in a single match. It was very overwhelming from a spectator point of view from a minute to minute perspective too: the brash batting by Ponting and Gilchrist, the fiery spell by Donald to reduce them to 68/4, the resilience by Waugh and Bevan when batting was really tough(some 6 runs in 8 overs), a fiery spell from Pollock to clean up the tail, the attacking batsmanship from Gibbs, genius from Warne, resilience from Kallis and the attacking Rhodes, cameos by Pollock and Klusener that fell short, also poor application under pressure from Reiffel, Donald and Boucher. You are not only gripped from a moment to moment basis, but see all shades of performance. It’s as if life was represented in a match.