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Graham Thorpe dies aged 55

Arachnodouche

International Captain
Yeah, suicide is selfish at the best (worst?) of times but making another person directly complicit in your immediate demise is unforgivable, however messed up you'd have to be to consider the option in the first place.
 

Ali TT

International Vice-Captain
Yeah, suicide is selfish at the best (worst?) of times but making another person directly complicit in your immediate demise is unforgivable, however messed up you'd have to be to consider the option in the first place.
Is judgement necessary? The consequences of suicide might appear selfish but not necessarily the motivation from people who are in such a state they think they're doing their lives ones and the world a favour by leaving it.

In the UK I think tube and train drivers can be voluntarily retired after a collision with a person. Often remarked by some that that's a cushy outcome for the duvet but I can't imagine living with seeing and hearing that would be easy.
 

Spikey

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the reality is when you become a train driver, you sign up for hitting someone, be it suicide or misadventure. it's just gonna happen.
 

Arachnodouche

International Captain
Is judgement necessary? The consequences of suicide might appear selfish but not necessarily the motivation from people who are in such a state they think they're doing their lives ones and the world a favour by leaving it.

In the UK I think tube and train drivers can be voluntarily retired after a collision with a person. Often remarked by some that that's a cushy outcome for the duvet but I can't imagine living with seeing and hearing that would be easy.
Yeah might have worded my post differently tbf, certainly didn't mean for it to sound as flippant as it did. I have sympathy and even admiration for the suicide despite it being something of a contradiction from an ethical pov: responsibility to the self and whether that entails self-preservation at all costs VS responsibility to those with whom you share a life. No answers here, obviously this was a man who was mentally ill and couldn't take all of that into consideration.
 

honestbharani

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This is just another level of sad and horrific now. :( God bless his family and the driver and his dear ones and hopefully they all find the strength to deal with this trauma and be as normal as they can be moving forward in their lives.
 

Boy_Blunder

First Class Debutant
It actually makes me quite angry. I know people who work for the NZ railways and this sort of thing is completely shattering to the train driver. Another life ruined.
It's also really hard on the emergency services who come to the scene. I've got family who were paramedics and they always said that people who were hit by trains were the worst scenes to go to.
 

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