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Good/Great bowlers that owned good/great batsman...

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satyam

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Burgey said:
No, what's upset me mate is I have never said McGrath owned Tendulkar, but the moment I mentioned McGrath got the better of him in the biggest ODI they played against each other, in response to the point that their record against each other was roughyl even, apparently I've committed a cardinal sin.

Look, whatever, I'm jack of it. Tendulkar owned McGrath, and it was wonderful the way he continued that domination with that spanking 183 notout in the 03 WC final, the game that really counted most. Sorry for getting it so wrong. He has dominated every bowler he's ever faced, the only way he's ever been dismissed was caught Fatigue, bowled Exhaustion for 780.
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Any way who cares about your opinion. What matters is the opinion of greatest fast bowler of all time

YouTube - Sachin greatest ever: Hadlee

And i also agree Punter is the greatest player of spin and swing bowling ever.
 
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satyam

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I don't know how can punter compared with Sachin and lara.

Tell me one great bowler who has admitted the Ricky ponting to be the best batsman.

And this is because punter has similar stat to sachin and lara, then agree sehwag is more destructive than Viv richards
 
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satyam said:
Any way who cares about your opinion. What matters is the opinion of greatest fast bowler of all time

YouTube - Sachin greatest ever: Hadlee

And i also agree Punter is the greatest player of spin and swing bowling ever.
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:nono:

Methinks you are missing the point of a forum. I have always enjoyed reading Burgey's opinions in the time I have spent here, if I may say so. He always gives credit where it is due.
 
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vcs said:
Guys, there's nothing wrong in admitting that Sachin failed in that WC final. It doesn't take anything away from his terrific World Cup record and it doesn't affect his status as one of the top 2 or 3 ODI players in history. No need to bring Ponting, Richards etc. etc. into it. That they delivered the goods in their respective finals is to their credit, and partially a testament to the strength of the teams they played in.

In some ways the Tendulkar-McGrath ODI rivalry is similar to the India-Pak ODI rivalry in the '90s. India were dominated overall by Pak after Miandad's 6 in Sharjah, but they always got the better of Pak on the biggest stage of them all, the WC.
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Indeed, a fair point, I'd have thought, and if you don't mind my saying, you've put it very well.

Better put a helmet on now you've made it though.
 
Avada Kedavra

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vcs said:
Guys, there's nothing wrong in admitting that Sachin failed in that WC final. It doesn't take anything away from his terrific World Cup record and it doesn't affect his status as one of the top 2 or 3 ODI players in history. No need to bring Ponting, Richards etc. etc. into it. That they delivered the goods in their respective finals is to their credit, and partially a testament to the strength of the teams they played in.

In some ways the Tendulkar-McGrath ODI rivalry is similar to the India-Pak ODI rivalry in the '90s. India were dominated overall by Pak after Miandad's 6 in Sharjah, but they always got the better of Pak on the biggest stage of them all, the WC.
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Tendulkar FAILED miserably in the WC final.Who denied that?
 
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Avada Kedavra said:
Sorry I believe you are overreacting here.No one disputed your claim that Mcgrath owned Tendulkar in the biggest match they faced but you were making it sound like that made all the other matches irrelevant.For the record I rate Ponting as Tendulkar's equal so please dont get started on me.
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Not my intention mate - if it read that way, apologies.

We differ too - I rate Tendulkar > Ponting by a little margin. The trouble I have is when people on any side of such an argument take a stance which basically represents the proposition that there shouldn't even BE an argument, because the guy they back is that much better.

Should say I am in no way putting yourself in that category.
 
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satyam

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As far as WC rivalry is concerned its 2-1 to Mcgrath. Sachin destroyed him in 1996, but he got sachin in 1999 and 2003
 
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Burgey said:
Not my intention mate - if it read that way, apologies.

We differ too - I rate Tendulkar > Ponting by a little margin. The trouble I have is when people on any side of such an argument take a stance which basically represents the proposition that there shouldn't even BE an argument, because the guy they back is that much better.

Should say I am in no way putting yourself in that category.
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I concur! :cool:
 
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Avada Kedavra said:
Tendulkar FAILED miserably in the WC final.Who denied that?
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Fair enough. I don't think anyone can deny that the greater culpability lay with the bowlers either. I could see Sachin 'succeeding' and getting a quick 60 or something and India still losing comfortably. Personally, I was praying for rain that day after the 1st innings and there was even a brief interruption at one stage. :laugh:
 
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satyam said:
Tendulkar played well in league match. He ran out of partners at the other end. So no-one dominated each other.
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He only scored 30-40...that is not "played well" by any means. Come on man, fair's fair.Tendulkar is a magnificent batsmen, def in the uppermost echleon of batsmen after Sir Bradman, but let us not make him out to be the best thing since sliced bread.
 
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satyam

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Avada Kedavra said:
He only scored 30-40...that is not "played well" by any means. Come on man, fair's fair.Tendulkar is a magnificent batsmen, def in the uppermost echleon of batsmen after Sir Bradman, but let us not make him out to be the best thing since sliced bread.
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I mean he was top scorer from India. He started well but his partners at the other end did not support him.
 
G.I.Joe

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Burgey said:
I never said that mate, and if you'd read my post which started off the response, you'd know I didn't. It was suggested their records were about equal in ODIs, to which I replied "Except when it mattered most", a fairly harmless response I'd have thought - you know, like the responses one gets from Indian supporters about Warne's record in India, and which generally one accepts and moves on. Because they're essentially true and one ought to accept it.

But hey, if you want to construe it that way, so be it.

But frankly, I expected better of your good self :).
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They're not the same, Burgey. Its like placing the 18th hole a kilometre away with a gale blowing in your face, and claiming the golfer missed the shot when it mattered most. You can't compare a failure chasing 360 against the worlds best side in a single match to a career of performing sub par against a side over a decade.
 
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