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Glenn Turner - How highly do you rate him?
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Socerer 01
International Captain
that would be Dennis Amiss
BazBall21
International Captain
NZ’s 3rd or 4th greatest Test bat of all time imo. Deserves a lot of credit for probably being the man who first installed some respectability for NZ cricket before the Hadlee/Crowe era.
Like most NZ bats he sometimes struggled with pace/bounce but fantastic player. In the Hanif Mohammed mould. Classic patient, disciplined opener with some marathon knocks.
He made my top 25 openers of all time when I did a list.
Like most NZ bats he sometimes struggled with pace/bounce but fantastic player. In the Hanif Mohammed mould. Classic patient, disciplined opener with some marathon knocks.
He made my top 25 openers of all time when I did a list.
Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
Achieved some impressive stats:
-4 double centuries on a tour of the Windies (2 in tour matches; 2 in tests)
-Scored 1,000 fc runs before the end of the May in England (only Turner and Hick have done this since 1938)
-Scored 100 in each innings when NZ beat Australia in a test for the first time.
-Is one of only 4 non-Englishmen with 100 fc 100s - the other three are the Don, Viv, and Zaheer Abbas.
Sadly disagreed with NZC so played far fewer internationals than he should have.
-4 double centuries on a tour of the Windies (2 in tour matches; 2 in tests)
-Scored 1,000 fc runs before the end of the May in England (only Turner and Hick have done this since 1938)
-Scored 100 in each innings when NZ beat Australia in a test for the first time.
-Is one of only 4 non-Englishmen with 100 fc 100s - the other three are the Don, Viv, and Zaheer Abbas.
Sadly disagreed with NZC so played far fewer internationals than he should have.
It's interesting - he probably doesn't get the praise his talent and run-making output deserves in New Zealand. He's potentially more rated in England, or at least for those who followed the game when he was on the county scene. In fact, the OPs comment that he 'anonymously' makes the all-time NZ team is probably the best way for him to make it - with his stats shown and not his identity 
Presuming the word was meant to be unanimous, I don't actually think that's the case.
I think in this country, it has to do with how he holds himself as a person. It would be fair to say that post-career, he never did a lot to endear himself to people in the game and in public through his media work.
Presuming the word was meant to be unanimous, I don't actually think that's the case.I think in this country, it has to do with how he holds himself as a person. It would be fair to say that post-career, he never did a lot to endear himself to people in the game and in public through his media work.
Flem274*
123/5
Plus he chose club over country, which isn't a great start.It's interesting - he probably doesn't get the praise his talent and run-making output deserves in New Zealand. He's potentially more rated in England, or at least for those who followed the game when he was on the county scene. In fact, the OPs comment that he 'anonymously' makes the all-time NZ team is probably the best way for him to make it - with his stats shown and not his identity
I think in this country, it has to do with how he holds himself as a person. It would be fair to say that post-career, he never did a lot to endear himself to people in the game and in public through his media work.
Our 3rd best bat at worst. Probably second or first if Kane continues to ruin his overseas record post 2018
The cricketing world has come full circle then, right? I don't know the $ situation when Turner dedicated himself to Worcestershire, but I do know it would have been comfortably more than he would have made for NZ. I wasn't alive when it happened so I don't remember if it was a contentious issue.
I think it's more the negativity he brought to the table as national coach and selector.
Certainly with Latham being exposed against major nations, it's a bit of a no-brainer that Turner opens in our all-time XI.
mr_mister
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
How much of that is based on one minnow bashing innings
Xuhaib
International Coach
Looking at stats closely you may be quite right as most his big runs are vs East Africa, pre test status SL and India who looked disinterested in odis in 70's
Amiss has a balanced record but just played 18 games
Immenso
International Vice-Captain
He had a fundamental disagreement on philosophy with the NZCC chairman (Walter Hadlee) about professionalism. Walter wanted the NZ team to remain amateur, so the NZ team on tour received only expenses level money, rather than a wage etc - while on tour. He eventually refused.
This is before my time, so someone else may correct if I have misunderstood or mis-remembered what I read.
But, there were 3 other NZ English based pros during most of that same time period who would return each summer and play for NZ and go on tours (G Howarth, R Hadlee, J Wright). Turner would return to NZ but take up positions like Auckland or Otago coach etc in late 70s, early 80s.
I would say he is relatively 'anonymously' in NZ teams because he missed most of the televised error, but by choice.
Magrat Garlick
Rather Mad Witch
would make sense given staunchly amateur rugby union was the Big Sport at the time (in New Zealand) and so people would probably follow practices from that
Socerer 01
International Captain
IIRC Amiss was the highest overall run-scorer in ODIs when he played his last ODI. Super underrated player from the early ODI era.
18 games is quite healthy for a 70’s batsman too, there simply wasn’t that many ODIs played then. Only six batsmen have played more than he did in the 70’s and only one played his last ODI in 1975 whilst the others played till 1979 and beyond
Magrat Garlick
Rather Mad Witch
Which is exactly why it's silly to crown a 70s batter based on it.
If you really wanted to care about crowning a limited overs batter of the 70s then you'd probably have to count World Series Cricket and the Sunday League stuff, in which case the head of Barry Richards rears itself again
Magrat Garlick
Rather Mad Witch
Anyway, Turner. Probably quite good. In the current era without openers he would probably be in a World XI?
Socerer 01
International Captain
not disagreeing there at all. Just wanted to pitch in Amiss’ name as he rarely ever props up in these discussions for some reason
Socerer 01
International Captain
I assume he would be as good as the current best opening batsmen like an Elgar without being clearly better than them? The current timeline is cursed for openers
Is the 70s that bereft of openers? Turner averaged less than 30 v the Windies, Australia and Pakistan, barely over v England and dined out on East Africa, India and Sri Lanka.
Xuhaib
International Coach
OK then Majid Khan averages 38 in 23 games knowing him it must have come in swift time.
For keeper I will go Derek Murray part of 2 world cup winning XI. Spinner is the biggest question mark as spin bowlers did not adapt well to the shorter format initially.