Patience and Accuracy+Gut
State Vice-Captain
The major difference is that was the only time Thommo was measured in a match. Shoaib, Lee etc. hit 160 plus in their absolute best days, Thommo did it in a random one.
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capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
I have questions about the accuracy of that data as well.
Patience and Accuracy+Gut
State Vice-Captain
That was after Thommo’s shoulder injury and Thommo hadn’t played cricket in a year plus was full of alcohol. Anyway that one speed was definitely measured differently whereas the speed in 1975 research was measured of the hand. Just to be clear Thommo still stood ahead of the pack in 1979 as well even after all.
Patience and Accuracy+Gut
State Vice-Captain
All due to how bad the knowledge regarding fast bowling plus training is in India really. There should have been like 10 quicks right now from India bowling 100 Mph if the training plus the coaches had better knowledge regarding fast bowling.
Don’t see that happening anytime soon really regarding how the coaches are prioritizing to just bowl, bowl and bowl and have the fast bowler broke. You know there is something really wrong that the fastest quicks are from country with very small talent pool outdoing a country with such a massive pool.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Mayank Yadav has been recorded bowling the 8th fastest ball already and Umran Mallik isn't much slower either. And not just from India, I think by the general rule of sports with changes in training, diet and scientific analysis; a bowler who bowled 50 years ago being faster than all seems a bit fishy to me.
Patience and Accuracy+Gut
State Vice-Captain
Long Jump, Javelin have records even pre-Thommo. If Thommo wasn’t bowling 100 mph , then how quick were the quicks from Indies plus Peak Lillee, Imran etc?
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Those records are clearly quite rare and you I hope certainly won't deny that sports science plays a vital role in development of athletes. On the second question; Roberts, Holding, Lillee and co bowling 142-144 and Thommo close to 150 at times seems really reasonable to me. I mean, have you ever seen a pacer bowl 150 consistently in the longer format?
Coronis
International Coach
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sayon basak
International Debutant
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capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Yeah, a bowler not pitcher. Still haven't imported that phrase, but who knows might soon do.....
Patience and Accuracy+Gut
State Vice-Captain
No one did it except Peak Thommo cause Thommo pre- shoulder injury is easily the fastest ever from everything I have seen and heard.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Yeah, and you have to admit; it sounds fishy as ****.
Patience and Accuracy+Gut
State Vice-Captain
You mentioned earlier that you think Holding, Roberts, Lillee were 142-144 and Thommo 150 at times. But from the reasearch Thommo was 10 kmph ahead of the next best, Roberts and 12 ahead of Holding. Purely from that alone would put Thommo well in the mid 150s. You would need to think those 3 guys were in high 130s to say Thommo wasn’t in 150s consistently. If that’s what you think, I have nothing to argue against.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
I simply don't think there's enough data to suggest Thomson was 10 kmph faster than the next fastest guy; I don't really find that much believable.
shortpitched713
International Captain
I find the fact that Thommo might even mention an obviously spurious number like 175 kph the most fishy part. It sounds like bullshitting to hide the lack of evidence of superiority in the nascent Era of speed guns.
There's actually a perfect analogue for baseball in this, with Nolan Ryan claiming (also spurious, imo) that he pitched 108 mph, once again in the early days that speed guns existed. But at least that's a somewhat more plausible lie, as there is a pitcher with hard evidence who has gotten close (Aroldis Chapman hit 106).
Edit: Don't get me wrong, they're both really quick though, just not quite as quick as they claim.
There's actually a perfect analogue for baseball in this, with Nolan Ryan claiming (also spurious, imo) that he pitched 108 mph, once again in the early days that speed guns existed. But at least that's a somewhat more plausible lie, as there is a pitcher with hard evidence who has gotten close (Aroldis Chapman hit 106).
Edit: Don't get me wrong, they're both really quick though, just not quite as quick as they claim.
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