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Forum Rule Changes including Introduction of Infraction System

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HeathDavisSpeed

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That's what youre not understanding though. People are getting infracted when noone has reported a post. That's horse ****.

Its a circular argument. If you have an infraction system with set things that lead to you being infracted, a Mod HAS to infract unreported posts which breach the standards otherwise you get people complaining about inconsistency. Which is why the system doesn't work when you have unclear definitions of what constitutes an infractible post. This system is wholly counter-intuitive.
 

Fusion

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That's what youre not understanding though. People are getting infracted when noone has reported a post. That's horse ****.

People should get infracted when someone in the forum has a beef with the post. That's not to say all reporting sould be infracted, but if no poster as a problem with a post, there's no reason why a mod should.
But people DID have a beef with those buffoon posts. And by the way, it was a third party that reported that post first! I do want to emphasize that it's not a requirement that a post has to be reported for it to receive a warning/infraction. However, that's how it generally works. We can't read every post in every thread and, more often than not, we respond to reported posts. I'm not trying to be a jerk here, but why is it too much to ask NOT to insult someone?
 

Burgey

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But we're not infracting people just for calling someone that. We're infracting people for directly insulting another member. When you began your post to Migara saying 'You're a buffoon,' was it meant as a compliment?

For your other question I'm not 100% because I haven't really been around all that much with uni and the like, but I'm not saying we're doing a perfect job and we may well have missed something that could have been infraction/warning worthy. That's what the report post function is there for though.
Yes you are doing just that.

Of course it wasn't a compliment. Do you want a place where people can put up any old senseless dross, usually in a snarky manner in his case, and just be met with "By jove old chap, dreadfully sorry but I respectfully disagree? You've sprouted nothing but utter **** for a few days now but really, I can't say what I think because despite that, I'll be the one who cops a ban". Is that what the Mods want? Is that how you really see meaningful discussion progressing?

It's becoming ridiculous, mate. You want people to discuss something they feel passionately about, yet can't tolerate the discussion getting passionate. It. Does. Not. Work. And. Will. Not. Work.

You will end up with a narrow-based, cheer squad site.

If that's what the management want, then so be it.
 
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benchmark00

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But people DID have a beef with those buffoon posts. And by the way, it was a third party that reported that post first! I do want to emphasize that it's not a requirement that a post has to be reported for it to receive a warning/infraction. However, that's how it generally works. We can't read every post in every thread and, more often than not, we respond to reported posts. I'm not trying to be a jerk here, but why is it too much to ask NOT to insult someone?
Wasn't talking about the buffoon issue itbt, don't even know what it's about. More times Burgey/sledger get infracted the better imo.

Most of the time it's not actually insulting though. Other than with Jono, I never actually insult someone maliciously. Calling Burgey a scum bag jerk is nothing, calling someone a troll or something similar, although not actually using explicitly insulting words, is infinitely more harmful.
 

Fusion

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Yes you are doing just that.

Of course it wasn't a compliment. Do you want a place where people can put up any old senseless dross, usually in a snarky manner in his case, and just be met with "By jove old chap, dreadfully sorry but I respectfully disagree? You've sprouted nothing but utter **** for a few days now but really, I can't say what I think because despite that, I'll be the one who cops a ban". Is that what the Mods want? Is that how you really see meaningful discussion progressing?

It's becoming ridiculous, mate. You want people to discuss something theyfeel passionately about, yet can't tolerate the discussion getting passionate. It. Does. Not. Work. And. Will. Not. Work.
A passionate discussion can't take place without insults? I've participated in plenty of debates without having to resort to name calling.
 

HeathDavisSpeed

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I'm not trying to be a jerk here, but why is it too much to ask NOT to insult someone?
It's harder than you think when you yourself have just implied that your being a 'jerk' for your post. Which is clearly pejorative. I won't be so petty to suggest that you should be infracted, but if people act like prats in the real world, they would expect to be called out on it. I think a certain level should be expected. Calling someone a 'buffoon' isn't nice, but it's hardly something that I would call a major insult. What if I called someone 'haughty', 'obtuse', 'overblown' - good god, the list is endless. They're all negative words, but they're hardly insults if the description is warranted.
 

HeathDavisSpeed

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A passionate discussion can't take place without insults? I've participated in plenty of debates without having to resort to name calling.
Yes, but you are letting snide, sarcastic remarks pass - or letting someone's blind lack of understanding cause arguments by just infracting the side who throws a pretty low-grade insult. Good god, if Richard were posting some of his arguments about Ireland being English etc. I wouldn't last 5 minutes without getting banned. In fact, this discussion is doing my head in. If you don't get why people are disgruntled (and if everything was hunky-dory what reason do I have to complain, given I have not been infracted) then you need to just have another read through of some of the threads that have led to infractions.

EDIT: If you're butting your head against a brick wall, there's a certain amount of catharsis in calling the wall a complete and utter ****.
 

Burgey

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A passionate discussion can't take place without insults? I've participated in plenty of debates without having to resort to name calling.
You must be kidding mate? If someone just keeps repeating ****, directed at you ont he forum, and you try to reason with that person but they keep carrying on, you suggest we just go around in perpeuity, with them doing that?

See, the other day for example, someone, I can't recall whom - may have been Cruxdude, was in the thread about Ponting facing a disciplinary hearing, and basically told me to "take off my Australian glasses" or whatever. Well, that's rank crap and I called them on it. You'd rather me report that and say nothing, or remain silent on it and thereby let them think that sort of crap is acceptable? Why should a Mod be involved in that? It's ridiculous to think they should.

I suspect the answer to your question lies here...

It's harder than you think when you yourself have just implied that your being a 'jerk' for your post. Which is clearly pejorative. I won't be so petty to suggest that you should be infracted, but if people act like prats in the real world, they would expect to be called out on it. I think a certain level should be expected. Calling someone a 'buffoon' isn't nice, but it's hardly something that I would call a major insult. What if I called someone 'haughty', 'obtuse', 'overblown' - good god, the list is endless. They're all negative words, but they're hardly insults if the description is warranted.
Well said.
 
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Fusion

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You must be kidding mate? If someone just keeps repeating ****, directed at you ont he forum, and you try to reason with that person but they keep carrying on, you suggest we just go around in perpeuity, with them doing that? I suspect the answer to your question lies here...



Well said.
All I'm saying is that it's fine to have a heated debate. You can do so without resorting to insults. I hate to be a broken record, but if it gets to a point where the other party has pushed you over the edge -then report the post. I can assure you Burgey that we won't gloss over the reported post and let someone slide because of what country they support. You have my word on that, if that means anything.
 

Burgey

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All I'm saying is that it's fine to have a heated debate. You can do so without resorting to insults. I hate to be a broken record, but if it gets to a point where the other party has pushed you over the edge -then report the post. I can assure you Burgey that we won't gloss over the reported post and let someone slide because of what country they support. You have my word on that, if that means anything.
I don't think you will either. But if people can't cop being called a bloody buffoon, they belong in a creche, not on a cricket forum. Or a forum of any kind, frankly.
 

HeathDavisSpeed

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Sigh. Well, I feel like I'm butting a brick wall right now so rather than throw around some insults - obtuse, evasive sprung to mind - or reporting the post, I'll just piss off and do something less frustrating.
 

Adamc

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Wasn't talking about the buffoon issue itbt, don't even know what it's about. More times Burgey/sledger get infracted the better imo.

Most of the time it's not actually insulting though. Other than with Jono, I never actually insult someone maliciously. Calling Burgey a scum bag jerk is nothing, calling someone a troll or something similar, although not actually using explicitly insulting words, is infinitely more harmful.
Can it, troll.

Brings a tear to the eye to see CW unite for the right to call Burgey a scum bag jerk.
 

Howe_zat

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Is it really too much to ask to avoid insults and responding to them? You know it is possible to be funny without posting some crap generalisation or swearing at someone?

Why not have a look at your post before you go ahead, and think for a sec whether or not you're achieving something with it?

(Hint: 'You're a ****' achieves nothing)

A lot of people seem amazingly quick to dismiss everything the mods do because they didn't like one decision. It's really, really not hard to avoid these infractions, people.

I'm done. And if I never hear the word 'Buffoon' again, it'll be too soon.
 

GIMH

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I'd like at this point to go on the record and state that a forum announcement being made just an excuse to attack sledger, Burgey and me was a new low for this forum.

Next time there are posters trolling in a thread I trust they will be addressed in the same way.

But maybe they're not senior members - wtf does that even mean anyway? Posters who it's okay to attack? Would fit the ****ing bill.
 

Adamc

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Is it really too much to ask to avoid insults and responding to them? You know it is possible to be funny without posting some crap generalisation or swearing at someone?

Why not have a look at your post before you go ahead, and think for a sec whether or not you're achieving something with it?

(Hint: 'You're a ****' achieves nothing)

A lot of people seem amazingly quick to dismiss everything the mods do because they didn't like one decision. It's really, really not hard to avoid these infractions, people.

I'm done. And if I never hear the word 'Buffoon' again, it'll be too soon.
Can't speak for everyone else but my issue is that the rules are unclear and arbitrarily enforced, not that there are too many infractions. If anything I'm surprised at the lack of infractions given the allegedly 'more strict' rules stated in the first post of this thread. Though, tbf, if they were enforced as stated in that post I would think there were too many infractions.
 
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