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Fleming to pass Arjun Ranatunga
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age_master
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I doubt that will happen, he will be the skipper till he retires i think.Macka said:
JF.
School Boy/Girl Captain
Crap! NZ cricket was in turmoil when he took over and he settled it down and presided over a period of rebuilding. Not just the team but NZ cricket in general. He has done a fine job as captain. Not just on the field but in what he has done for NZ cricket.Macka said:
And why should he be forced out of the captaincy? He's NZ's highest run scorer and most successful captain. He should be allowed to go out on his own terms.
Mr Mxyzptlk
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You have to realize that despite Fleming's appearance as average, he's still the best international batsman in the country. And if you're looking to overhaul the team and try some new talent, you'd do better to replace other players before you replace Fleming.Macka said:
For one, Fleming has probably been a more effective batsman than Nathan Astle.
Jono
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Since when do you have to be one of the greatest players (mainly batsman) around to be a great captain?Macka said:
Taylor was far from a Lara or Tendulkar, but lead Australia brilliantly. Why would you throw away one of NZ's greatest minds simply because he doesn't average >40 in test cricket?
Sir Redman
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Fleming averages 40.15 in test cricket. And as has been pointed out many times, his away average is very good (46.26, and with a much better conversion rate of 7 hundreds/24 fifties). It's been his batting at home that has cost him a mid-40s average really (only averages 32 at home in about 50 tests)Jono said:
Firstly, I don't doubt Fleming has a done a good job in the past. He would make the Test and ODI teams on current form; I never doubted that in my post. He is still an average batsman, however.JF. said:
Just as Border, Taylor, and Waugh built on what their predecessors left them, so too must New Zealand. Fleming has been captain for a long time. I've said this before, and I'll say it again:
If Fleming hasn't given everything he has to offer by now, he never will.
We need to build upon the success we've had in the past. The captain in cricket is such an important part of any team's success, especially a team like New Zealand with no match-winning players (except a fit Bond, but I won't go there in this post). I feel we need a new captain with new ideas if we're going to move forward. We're still inconsistent despite showing glimpses of brilliance. Fleming has brought us this far, but is seems very clear to me the team is not progressing. We've changed coaches, players, and selectors often enough; it's time for the captain's turn.
Secondly, no, he does not deserve to go out on his own terms. This is professional sport. I don't remember Australia being that nice to Waugh when he was dumped as ODI captain, and the NZ selectors are not in their jobs to be overly nice and sentimental.
Where did I say that? I said Fleming is a good captain. And I said he's an average batsman. Both are true.Jono said:
Where did I say that? Who's talking about getting rid of Fleming because he only just started to average 40 in Test cricket? Name someone in the current NZ Test team who does. Ah, right...Jono said:
(Except Oram
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