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Barney Rubble · Jan 5, 2007

Son Of Coco said:
4 man team

It appears so. :laugh:

Scmods · Jan 6, 2007

Barney Rubble said:
This team wasn't the best to go down there in 20 years. It was the best team to go down there in 20 years minus a third of its players. There's a difference.

Vaughan (Who would he have replaced?), Jones (who's reverse swing would've been negated here). That's it. Wow, two whole players!

Matteh · Jan 6, 2007

Scmods said:
Vaughan (Who would he have replaced?), Jones (who's reverse swing would've been negated here). That's it. Wow, two whole players!

Vaughan in for Mahmood. Jones can actually bowl straight regardless of the swing so he'd have been a help. Tresco could have come in for Collingwood (who actually did absolutely nothing bar his double century and his 96.) or Bell.

Barney Rubble · Jan 6, 2007

Scmods said:
Vaughan (Who would he have replaced?), Jones (who's reverse swing would've been negated here). That's it. Wow, two whole players!

Yeah, let's just completely ignore Trescothick, shall we? 'Cause he doesn't have close to 6,000 Test runs or anything.

And if you're going to be pedantic and say that 3/11 isn't a third, then the injuries the other players have had in the last 6 months and subsequent loss of fitness is as good as losing another player.

As inexcusably terrible as they were, the simple fact is that the England side that lost the Ashes 5-0 was nowhere near full-strength. That's not to say the result would have been any different if they had been at full-strength, but the fact they weren't is pretty much the plain truth.

Scmods · Jan 6, 2007

Barney Rubble said:
Yeah, let's just completely ignore Trescothick, shall we? 'Cause he doesn't have close to 6,000 Test runs or anything.

And if you're going to be pedantic and say that 3/11 isn't a third, then the injuries the other players have had in the last 6 months and subsequent loss of fitness is as good as losing another player.

As inexcusably terrible as they were, the simple fact is that the England side that lost the Ashes 5-0 was nowhere near full-strength. That's not to say the result would have been any different if they had been at full-strength, but the fact they weren't is pretty much the plain truth.

Tresco? He's a hack these days. Can you honestly tell me it was better for English Cricket for Tresco to be in those 5 Test Matches for Cook?

TT Boy · Jan 6, 2007

Matteh said:
Vaughan in for Mahmood. Jones can actually bowl straight regardless of the swing so he'd have been a help. Tresco could have come in for Collingwood (who actually did absolutely nothing bar his double century and his 96.) or Bell.

Been a long time but combined with the utterly brilliant delivery the man (Simon Jones) had more than a penchant for the half volley and a bit of legside trite. He was hardly gun barrel straight ala McGrath. Also Tresco wasn't much cop in Australia last time was he?

Barney Rubble · Jan 6, 2007

Scmods said:
Tresco? He's a hack these days. Can you honestly tell me it was better for English Cricket for Tresco to be in those 5 Test Matches for Cook?

To be blunt, yes. Cook did next to nothing apart from his hundred at Perth (or was it Adelaide? The defeats are bleeding into one another these days), and given the fact that our biggest opening partnership of the series was something like 54, I don't think you can exactly say that the Strauss-Cook partnership was a success. I would far rather have had Trescothick at the top of the order with Cook at three and Bell at five. And yes, that does mean I'd have dropped Collingwood if Trescothick was fit, that double-hundred is an irrelevance.

TT Boy · Jan 6, 2007

Barney Rubble said:
Yeah, let's just completely ignore Trescothick, shall we? 'Cause he doesn't have close to 6,000 Test runs or anything.

Scoring only 261 of them in Australia at an average of 26, probably best to ignore TBH.

TT Boy · Jan 6, 2007

Scmods said:
Oh dear England. Wasn't this team the best to come down in here in 20 years? Well I think we've proven that England are ridiculously overrated, almost as much so as MS Dhoni and Shiad Afridi. It was funny watching the Barmy Army cheering today, but then again they are English so I guess they celebrate mediocrity.

Why of course.

Barney Rubble · Jan 6, 2007

TT Boy said:
Scoring only 261 of them in Australia at an average of 26, probably best to ignore TBH.

Ricky Ponting doesn't have a good record in India, doesn't mean Australia leave him out when they go there. No reason why a class act like Tresco couldn't improve that.

Scmods · Jan 6, 2007

Barney Rubble said:
Ricky Ponting doesn't have a good record in India, doesn't mean Australia leave him out when they go there. No reason why a class act like Tresco couldn't improve that.

Rickys played 4 tests there, 3 was when Harbhjan was just absolutely destroying everybody, combined with a run of bad form from Ricky. And the 4th was coming back from a broken thumb in a dead rubber.

marc71178 · Jan 6, 2007

Scmods said:
Rickys played 4 tests there, 3 was when Harbhjan was just absolutely destroying everybody, combined with a run of bad form from Ricky. And the 4th was coming back from a broken thumb in a dead rubber.

14 innings in 4 Tests - that's impressive...

172 runs in said 14 innings, that's less so.

TT Boy · Jan 6, 2007

Barney Rubble said:
Ricky Ponting doesn't have a good record in India, doesn't mean Australia leave him out when they go there. No reason why a class act like Tresco couldn't improve that.

He could have but in his current state and performances in the summer I highly doubt he would have performed better than a Collingwood or Cook. Say what you will about the former, I will his not particularly good but his a fighter whilst old Tesco when the going gets tough, he gets going and sharpish (countdown for people to bring up road tons against South Africa at the Oval 3, 2, 1...).

Barney Rubble · Jan 6, 2007

TT Boy said:
He could have but in his current state and performances in the summer I highly doubt he would have performed better than a Collingwood or Cook. Say what you will about the former, I will his not particularly good but his a fighter whilst old Tesco when the going gets tough, he gets going and sharpish (countdown for people to bring up road tons against South Africa at the Oval 3, 2, 1...).

I think you're doing Tresco a gigantic disservice there. You're effectively calling him a flat-track bully, which is a pretty damning indictment.

Jono · Jan 6, 2007

Scmods said:
Rickys played 4 tests there, 3 was when Harbhjan was just absolutely destroying everybody, combined with a run of bad form from Ricky. And the 4th was coming back from a broken thumb in a dead rubber.

Laurrz · Jan 6, 2007

Son Of Coco · Jan 6, 2007

Mr Mxyzptlk said:
Eh?

Hmmm...

Son Of Coco · Jan 6, 2007

marc71178 said:
14 innings in 4 Tests - that's impressive...

172 runs in said 14 innings, that's less so.

You can't accuse him of not trying to play himself back into form! :sleep:

Saqqy Mush · Jan 10, 2007

Barney Rubble said:
I think you're doing Tresco a gigantic disservice there. You're effectively calling him a flat-track bully, which is a pretty damning indictment.

That's actually about as good a compliment you could get for someone like him.

marc71178 · Jan 11, 2007

Thanks for that Shane.

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