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Finding out the best decade for test cricket: The tournament thread! 12 ATG XIs duke it out.

kyear2

International Coach
Much as I love Viv, he hit less hundreds in over double the matches that Bradman did. The gulf is gigantic.
Viv was never the model of consistency and played way too long last his prime. But he average 61 at no 3 for over 40 tests and at his best, was there anyone better?

Oh and Snow, Imran, Lillee, Thompson, Hadlee, the quartet in India.
 

ataraxia

International Coach
Batting is more important than bowling in the sense that you can draw a match with batting alone but you can only lose with bowling alone.
 

stephen

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I genuinely don't mean to draw this out. But the difference between Marshall / Hadlee / Imran and Martindale is way bigger than the difference between Bradman and prime IVA. You are comparing admittedly no 1 overall but to a top 6 batsman.

I'm not trying to make this a thing. But I can't see that.
The gulf between Bradman and Viv is Border. Think about that.
 

kyear2

International Coach
The gulf between Bradman and Viv is Border. Think about that.
As I just said in a post.

Snow, Imran, Hadlee, Lillee, Thompson, The quartet in India etc. And he played way too long past his sell by date.

And he's seen as a top 5 or 6 batsman. It's obviously not based in average alone, otherwise he's behind Kallis, Sangakkara etc..
 

sunilz

International Regular
The closest to Bradman in recent times has been Steve Smith . And Aus is yet to win an overseas test series since 2016.

Can you imagine Marshall, McGrath or Steyn not winning an overseas series for 5 years ? This again proves that batsmen have limitation.
 

ataraxia

International Coach
The closest to Bradman in recent times has been Steve Smith . And Aus is yet to win an overseas test series since 2016.

Can you imagine Marshall, McGrath or Steyn not winning an overseas series for 5 years ? This again proves that batsmen have limitation.
NZ didn't win an overseas test series from 1969/70 to 1983/84, including 5 years of peak Hadlee.

all your post shows is that Aus are barely better than a minnow
 

sunilz

International Regular
NZ didn't win an overseas test series from 1969/70 to 1983/84, including 5 years of peak Hadlee.

all your post shows is that Aus are barely better than a minnow
With due respect, current Australian team has Cummins, Hazlewood and Lyon . All these bowlers are very good. But the problem is they are getting outbowled by opposition team . And this will happen to Bradman's team also once they face 80s.
 

ataraxia

International Coach
With due respect, current Australian team has Cummins, Hazlewood and Lyon . All these bowlers are very good. But the problem is they are getting outbowled by opposition team . And this will happen to Bradman's team also once they face 80s.
this is very convoluted logic. you could make the same argument that if Aus had an additional quality bat (42 avg overseas) they would've been better off.
 

stephen

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
With due respect, current Australian team has Cummins, Hazlewood and Lyon . All these bowlers are very good. But the problem is they are getting outbowled by opposition team . And this will happen to Bradman's team also once they face 80s.
You're so close to being right.

Australia are losing because Australian batsmen keep getting out because they're ****. Starc/Haze/ Cummins/ Lyon is easily as good as any real world bowling attack in history short of the 80s WIndies and 00s Australia. But the batsmen keep failing.

The 80s batting is behind the quality of the 30s side even without considering Bradman. We're talking about a side with Hutton, Hammond and Headley, all of whom easily make their national ATG sides (well Headley is arguable, but he's in the conversation). The 80s batsmen just aren't quite in the same league.

Whatever gap there is in the bowling, the 30s side blows the 80s side away with batting.
 

Victor Ian

International Coach
Viv was never the model of consistency and played way too long last his prime. But he average 61 at no 3 for over 40 tests and at his best, was there anyone better?
Bradman missed his prime do to a war and played past his prime longer than Viv.
 

sunilz

International Regular
And Bradman scored more hundreds than him in less than half the tests.

Even the "peak Viv" argument only beats Bradman in his worst series.
Can someone remind me the result of BG trophy 2003 where Ponting batted like Bradman.
Did they win the series ?
 

mr_mister

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I've said it once and I'll say it again, Viv is overrated and we don't make the concessions we make for him with any other batsman because #swagger.

Was an ATVG, 45 averaging bat outside of 1976. Fact
 

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