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Final - England v New Zealand
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Stapel
International Regular
It's like getting for leg byes when not playing a shot, but the ball runs away to the boundary. I'm not even sure the laws say it's 4 leg byes, but I've seen it happen (even yesterday?). As for the overthrows. Sure enough that's 95% luck, coincidence, fate, or whatever you name it. Then again, why not get the ball into the keeper's gloves, without a bounce? I know, the throw was from the deep, to the far end. The point I'm trying to make is, that the fielding side have some influence on it.
Neither fair nor unfair. Just arbitrary.
I'ld say the team needing fewer boundaries to get to the same total, have played the game of cricket the most properly.
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trundler
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England's bowling has come a long way. Deserves applause. A much more well rounded side now. And let's not forget that NZ has a population half the size of Lahore or a crowded suburb of Delhi. They played such exciting cricket so calmly. That game Vs Bangers was no piece of cake. NZ made a respectable recovery versus Pakistan. And the ****ing knockouts, oh my god. England won 3 knockouts in a row so I think we can put the FTB/mentally weak memes to rest, sadly.
Stapel
International Regular
Ha! That's really wonderful. All time hero!
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Pom_in_SA
Cricket Spectator
Do you think so?...I thought his shot to get out in the NZ innings was incredibly irresponsible at that particular stage of the innings.
TheJediBrah
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Nah I don't think it is. Leg byes when not playing a shot is called a dead-ball by the umpires even if it goes for 4.
Moss
International Captain
Agree with Steve NZ and Athlai's posts that there's only fleeting disappointment in the loss. The two sides pretty much cancelled each other and on that basis won't take anything away from England (who have been the best ODI side in the last 4 years so fair dues) , but I guess by and large everyone recognises that NZ played a wonderful final and all but won it themselves, and that's how it'll be remembered. Gutted of course but mitigated by this. NZ also did us fans proud, they've not always got it right this tournament but still dealt with the two biggest games as best they could. After the 2015 final which was soured by Brad Haddin's behaviour and digs at the team, it's great to see NZ continue to be themselves and play fiercely competitive cricket when it mattered most.
Jarquis
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Wrong.
Flem274*
123/5
Yea i agree not having the loser little nz talk at all. May as well never watch again if you think this was it.
Besides the 2015 team was so much better, this one happened to peak in the semi from nowhere
TheBrand
First Class Debutant
Refrained from posting during the game as had 8 people around for the final.
What a game. The emotional journey I went on last night will unlikely be matched by another sport ever.
Immensely proud of the boys, massive effort to scrap the whole tournament. If you'd told me before the tournament we would make a world cup final in England without ever scoring more than 300 I would have laughed at you. Our bowling was unbelievable all tournament and was great to see a much more even contest between bat and ball. Was lucky enough to attend 4 of the NZ games while in the UK before coming home for the finals, unbelievable atmosphere at all games and all the fans were great.
As for the final, there are so many moments and we shouldn't just put it down to one particular moment. Guptill's review, Taylor's lbw, Santner not taking a run on the last ball, Roy not getting given out first ball, the amount of inside edges that missed the stumps, Boult stepping on the rope in the 49th over, Guptill's throw hitting Stokes' bat and running to the rope, Santner not throwing the ball to the keeper's end to run out Stokes on 49.5 and of course the super over and overall the poor umpiring through the game (where was my boy Richard Kettleborough? - the best umpire in the world!)
Special shout out to CdG who possibly played the worst innings of his life only to follow it up with the best bowling performance of his life - so much so that Michael Clarke called him his player of the tournament (!).
Massive congratulations to England, they have been the forefront of ODI cricket in the last 4 years thanks in part to the effect Brendon McCullum had on them in 2015. However, I do get a bit frustrated with the statement "England deserved to win it". Sport owes you nothing and you deserve nothing, if England deserve to win a World Cup, what's the point in playing a final? It all comes down to that day and who plays better. You couldn't separate the two teams imo and regardless of the boundary countback you still have to give England credit for snatching victory from the jaws of defeat.
Will there be rule changes after this? I think so. The dead ball rule will be looked at, the boundary tie breaker rule (why not just do another super over? It doesn't take long!).
I'm super pumped for the home summer ahead but currently I'm emotionally and physically shattered after staying up all night and it's a very tough pill to swallow.
So proud of the guys for almost getting the smallest country in terms of population (in the World Cup) the ultimate prize in cricket.
What a game. The emotional journey I went on last night will unlikely be matched by another sport ever.
Immensely proud of the boys, massive effort to scrap the whole tournament. If you'd told me before the tournament we would make a world cup final in England without ever scoring more than 300 I would have laughed at you. Our bowling was unbelievable all tournament and was great to see a much more even contest between bat and ball. Was lucky enough to attend 4 of the NZ games while in the UK before coming home for the finals, unbelievable atmosphere at all games and all the fans were great.
As for the final, there are so many moments and we shouldn't just put it down to one particular moment. Guptill's review, Taylor's lbw, Santner not taking a run on the last ball, Roy not getting given out first ball, the amount of inside edges that missed the stumps, Boult stepping on the rope in the 49th over, Guptill's throw hitting Stokes' bat and running to the rope, Santner not throwing the ball to the keeper's end to run out Stokes on 49.5 and of course the super over and overall the poor umpiring through the game (where was my boy Richard Kettleborough? - the best umpire in the world!)
Special shout out to CdG who possibly played the worst innings of his life only to follow it up with the best bowling performance of his life - so much so that Michael Clarke called him his player of the tournament (!).
Massive congratulations to England, they have been the forefront of ODI cricket in the last 4 years thanks in part to the effect Brendon McCullum had on them in 2015. However, I do get a bit frustrated with the statement "England deserved to win it". Sport owes you nothing and you deserve nothing, if England deserve to win a World Cup, what's the point in playing a final? It all comes down to that day and who plays better. You couldn't separate the two teams imo and regardless of the boundary countback you still have to give England credit for snatching victory from the jaws of defeat.
Will there be rule changes after this? I think so. The dead ball rule will be looked at, the boundary tie breaker rule (why not just do another super over? It doesn't take long!).
I'm super pumped for the home summer ahead but currently I'm emotionally and physically shattered after staying up all night and it's a very tough pill to swallow.
So proud of the guys for almost getting the smallest country in terms of population (in the World Cup) the ultimate prize in cricket.
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MW1304
Cricketer Of The Year
Think he means evasive action, which is technically not playing a shot, but still gets you runs.
Moss
International Captain
NZ ratings for the tournament:
Nicholls - 7/10: Played out of position and at times looked it, but vital contributions at the top in both the knockouts
Guptill - 2/10: So far out of confidence it wasn't funny, and noticing him post the super over was gut wrenching. Seems past his best but here's hoping he can keep himself in the frame for 2023
Williamson - 10/10: class act on and off the field, but was really impressed by his captaincy (barring his handling of spin at times). Baz was a tough act to follow but this is truly his side
Taylor - 6.5/10: Great responsibility shown in the semifinal and a couple of other important innings, but a point off for those daft dismissals otherwise and not being at his absolute best. Has possibly played his last ODI?
Latham 4/10: Was quite poor early on but just about got it together in the last couple of games, keeping was very good towards the end too. Underachiever as always though, should really be playing the Elliott role
Neesham - 7.5/10: Promised more than delivered with the bat but a death bowling revelation with the ball and seems ro enjoy being in clutch moments
de Gandhomme - 6.5/10: Colin was Colin, but did a lot bettee than many of us expected, and usually contributed in at least one discipline in each game. Such an enigma.
Santner - 6/10: Outstanding in the semi final but most of the other games kind of confirmed he's no Vettori. Would be cool if he could provide competition for the no6/7 batting slot but he's definitely not there at the moment.
Henry - 8/10: Aside from the horror show against the Windies, did his job and often stepped up when Boult wasn't at his best. Big tick mark but may still be ambivalent on his long term future in the side.
Ferguson - 9/10: Gun bowler who's massively improved since his debut and the best addition to the side since 2015.
Boult - 7/10: Not at his absolute best and had an off day in the final, but mostly played the senior pro role very well.
Nicholls - 7/10: Played out of position and at times looked it, but vital contributions at the top in both the knockouts
Guptill - 2/10: So far out of confidence it wasn't funny, and noticing him post the super over was gut wrenching. Seems past his best but here's hoping he can keep himself in the frame for 2023
Williamson - 10/10: class act on and off the field, but was really impressed by his captaincy (barring his handling of spin at times). Baz was a tough act to follow but this is truly his side
Taylor - 6.5/10: Great responsibility shown in the semifinal and a couple of other important innings, but a point off for those daft dismissals otherwise and not being at his absolute best. Has possibly played his last ODI?
Latham 4/10: Was quite poor early on but just about got it together in the last couple of games, keeping was very good towards the end too. Underachiever as always though, should really be playing the Elliott role
Neesham - 7.5/10: Promised more than delivered with the bat but a death bowling revelation with the ball and seems ro enjoy being in clutch moments
de Gandhomme - 6.5/10: Colin was Colin, but did a lot bettee than many of us expected, and usually contributed in at least one discipline in each game. Such an enigma.
Santner - 6/10: Outstanding in the semi final but most of the other games kind of confirmed he's no Vettori. Would be cool if he could provide competition for the no6/7 batting slot but he's definitely not there at the moment.
Henry - 8/10: Aside from the horror show against the Windies, did his job and often stepped up when Boult wasn't at his best. Big tick mark but may still be ambivalent on his long term future in the side.
Ferguson - 9/10: Gun bowler who's massively improved since his debut and the best addition to the side since 2015.
Boult - 7/10: Not at his absolute best and had an off day in the final, but mostly played the senior pro role very well.
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Jezroy
State Captain
Yeah whoever said Rachin is a great point. He might be the opener or come in lower down.
As much as Nicholls’ innings was vital, I just don’t know if he’s going to be a long term solution. Just the best of some not great options.
Seifert and Phillips could conceivably both be in the team. Latham may need to reinvent himself to stay relevant to the team if that happens.
Would be great to think that Young will come through as we all hope. I guess if he doesn’t, that may be more where I see Nicholls coming into it.
Neesham’s bowling has come on so much. I think he should really be number 5 as he looks so much better when he has a chance to get in. So more like “how good is he/can he get better at turning over the strike?”.
Bowling attack - bar injury could stay together, plus you never know who else could come into it. Who could have predicted the rise of Ferguson since the last World Cup (and the fall of Southee)? Sodhi also has a chance with age and a World Cup in the subcontinent on his side to improve and really cement himself in this team. He’ll face tough competition from Santner and I guess Rachin though.
I hope they cut Munro and Southee loose from the ODI side. Southee still important in tests and Munro in T20s of course.
Disappointing that we’ve got hardly any ODIs coming up in the foreseeable future. 3 vs India and 3 vs Australia is it I think? Probably will get some boards wanting to arrange a few JAMODIS against us now. Other than that it’s SO MANY T20s, and a few tests. Just hope they actually use the T20 to find the right team for the World Cup, rather than pick a team and use the T20s to get them into form (even though T20s don’t matter so much to me).
Plus, I think we’ve got a good chance due to the draw to do well in the World Test Championship. Things looking good.
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Victor Ian
International Coach
When you have the two best teams/players facing off, truncated measures to force a result in time just deflates the whole epicness that got you there. Today, two epic encounters were diminished because of the broadcasters interefetences to have predictable scheduling. The other one was Wimbledon. When did they change the fifth set rule. That game should still be going.
As for the cricket. England were the favoured side once it reached the super over. They have more reliable hitters, which is what is needed there.
Overall, though, I don't like the super over because I think it favours the team batting last, as they have the possibility of having a batsman who already has his eye in to get the job done. But most of all, I just didn't like the idea of only one super over. They should also have been still out there playing, until someone dropped dead with fatigue.
This all takes nothing away from England's win. They were great to overcome a New Zealand who really lifted their game. Those opening overs where so many chances were made by New Zealand were wonderful to watch. Some times it is just not your day. In 50 years it will show England as the winners, but for those of us still alive, we will be telling grandkids about this game when we are trying to make them understand that sometimes even losers are winners.
As for the cricket. England were the favoured side once it reached the super over. They have more reliable hitters, which is what is needed there.
Overall, though, I don't like the super over because I think it favours the team batting last, as they have the possibility of having a batsman who already has his eye in to get the job done. But most of all, I just didn't like the idea of only one super over. They should also have been still out there playing, until someone dropped dead with fatigue.
This all takes nothing away from England's win. They were great to overcome a New Zealand who really lifted their game. Those opening overs where so many chances were made by New Zealand were wonderful to watch. Some times it is just not your day. In 50 years it will show England as the winners, but for those of us still alive, we will be telling grandkids about this game when we are trying to make them understand that sometimes even losers are winners.
burr
State Vice-Captain
What an insane match. I'm still trying to grapple with it and I don't support either team. Never has staying up to 5.15am and surviving on 2.5 hours of sleep at work the following day been so worth it. It's also eery that this is 20 years on from the other WC tie in the same country, which I also watched crouched 30cm in front of the TV at 4am.
I was so impressed by the standard of fielding and match-play under pressure in those final overs/super overs. Quite superb from both teams. Having said that, of all the hundred what if moments my mind keeps coming back to Boult stepping on the line. I felt watching at the time, that was regulation fielding for this day and age and was almost the equivalent of dropping a sitter. That's the one I regret, having been backing the Kiwis as underdogs.
But England have played the best cricket over the past 4 years in ODIs by a country mile so I have no qualms about the cup ending up with them. Jos Buttler's ability to hit a run a ball 50 when everyone else struggled so completely boggles the mind.
I was so impressed by the standard of fielding and match-play under pressure in those final overs/super overs. Quite superb from both teams. Having said that, of all the hundred what if moments my mind keeps coming back to Boult stepping on the line. I felt watching at the time, that was regulation fielding for this day and age and was almost the equivalent of dropping a sitter. That's the one I regret, having been backing the Kiwis as underdogs.
But England have played the best cricket over the past 4 years in ODIs by a country mile so I have no qualms about the cup ending up with them. Jos Buttler's ability to hit a run a ball 50 when everyone else struggled so completely boggles the mind.
Woodster
International Captain
I can understand people not happy about the way it was won with regards the team that scored the most boundaries, the super over itself not being a satisfactory way of deciding the outcome, the ruling on the overthrows after hitting the bat, etc. But these rules/regulations were all in place well before yesterday and hindsight is now a wonderful thing but there were few calls for these changes beforehand.
Rather than bemoaning rule changes surely it should all be about the effort and qualities that were shown by both sides in a colossal battle that brought cricket rightly back into the spotlight, and surely not just here in the UK but all over the world. Maybe that's easy to say when your side have been on the right side of it.
Rather than bemoaning rule changes surely it should all be about the effort and qualities that were shown by both sides in a colossal battle that brought cricket rightly back into the spotlight, and surely not just here in the UK but all over the world. Maybe that's easy to say when your side have been on the right side of it.
StephenZA
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Don't think I've had an opportunity to say congrats to England. Deserved winners for their play throughout the last 4 years. Commiserations with NZ.
And well done to England for putting on a pretty damn good WC I was not expecting. Long may the moderate 250-270 scores last.
And well done to England for putting on a pretty damn good WC I was not expecting. Long may the moderate 250-270 scores last.
Jezroy
State Captain
Not sure if you’ve seen NZ’s schedule for their home summer. 13 T20s, 6 ODIs. Yuck. Especially considering how nice it was to watch a much better balance between bat and ball over the last month or so.