Fast Bowler Survival Grand Final

[JBH001]

Marshall
McGrath

 

[zaremba]

Abstain in protest for 1st battle.
McGrath

McGrath over Ambrose, Ikki? I'm abuoy surprised, asI thought you thought McGrath was over-rated? But I suppose it's possible you think Ambrose is over-rated too.

 

[Burgey]

McGrath over Ambrose, Ikki? I'm abuoy surprised, asI thought you thought McGrath was over-rated? But I suppose it's possible you think Ambrose is over-rated too.

Is a favourite thing though, isn't it?

 

[Ikki]

protest for not having an Australian there?

Lillee!

McGrath over Ambrose, Ikki? I'm abuoy surprised, asI thought you thought McGrath was over-rated? But I suppose it's possible you think Ambrose is over-rated too.

I do think he is slightly overrated in terms of the arguments made for him over others. I still think he is awesome for other reasons. I've said in another thread it seems I don't rate Ambrose as highly as others. I would consider this more even if Donald was here. Baffles me how underrated he is.

 

[zaremba]

Fair enough. I was just interested in where
you were coming from.

 

[gnieraw]

Marshall, McGrath

 

[stephen]

And the winners are:

Malcolm Marshall 28 def Richard Hadlee 5

Glenn McGrath 24 def Curtly Ambrose 10

Final rankings:

1 Malcolm Marshall
2 Richard Hadlee
3 Glenn McGrath
4 Curly Ambrose
5 Imran Khan
6 Waqar Younis
7 Dennis Lillee
8 Wasim Akram
9 Fred Trueman
10 Sydney Barnes
11 Joel Garner
12 Michael Holding
13 Ray Lindwall
14 Allan Davidson
15 Allan Donald
16 Harold Larwood
17 George Lohmann
18 Shane Bond
19 John Snow
20 Jeff Thomson
21 Bob Willis
22 Courtney Walsh
23 Neil Adcock
24 Brian Statham
25 Maurice Tate
26 Dale Steyn
27 Ian Botham
28 Wes Hall
29 Peter Pollock
30 Fazal Mahmood
31 Alec Bedser
32 Frederick Spofforth
33 Jack Gregory
34 Mohammad Nissar
35 Bruce Reid
36 Jason Gillespie
37 Kapil Dev
38 Jack Cowie
39 Ian Bishop
40 Shoaib Akhtar

 

[Himannv]

How about a Hadlee vs McGrath faceoff?

 

[Zinzan]

How about a Hadlee vs McGrath faceoff?

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Hadlee already defeated McGrath, hence him making the final

 

[Fusion]

Don't have too many qualms with the top 10 really. The placements could be different here and there, but overall the right players made it to the top IMHO. Thanks for running this Stephen, it was fun to take part in.

 

[Himannv]

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Hadlee already defeated McGrath, hence him making the final

No, Hadlee defeated Ambrose and Marshall defeated McGrath in the semi finals.

 

[Teja.]

Kudos Stephen.

 

[vic_orthdox]

Interesting to compare that list with other such exercises that have been completed before by CW votes.

1 Malcolm Marshall
2 Richard Hadlee
3 Glenn McGrath
4 Curly Ambrose
5 Imran Khan
6 Waqar Younis
7 Dennis Lillee
8 Wasim Akram
9 Fred Trueman
10 Sydney Barnes
11 Joel Garner
12 Michael Holding
13 Ray Lindwall
14 Allan Davidson
15 Allan Donald
16 Harold Larwood
17 George Lohmann
18 Shane Bond
19 John Snow
20 Jeff Thomson
21 Bob Willis
22 Courtney Walsh
23 Neil Adcock
24 Brian Statham
25 Maurice Tate
26 Dale Steyn
27 Ian Botham
28 Wes Hall
29 Peter Pollock
30 Fazal Mahmood
31 Alec Bedser
32 Frederick Spofforth
33 Jack Gregory
34 Mohammad Nissar
35 Bruce Reid
36 Jason Gillespie
37 Kapil Dev
38 Jack Cowie
39 Ian Bishop
40 Shoaib Akhtar

A 2006 Top 25 Bowlers of All Time List

1. Malcolm Marshall (1)
2. Glenn McGrath (3)
3. Curtly Ambrose (4)
4. Richard Hadlee (5)
5. Fred Trueman (7)
6. Dennis Lillee (8)
7. Sydney Barnes (9)
8. Imran Khan (10)
9. Allan Donald (11)
10. Wasim Akram (12)
11. Michael Holding (14)
12. Alan Davidson (15)
13. Joel Garner (16)
14. Waqar Younis (17)
15. Ray Lindwall (18)
16. George Lohmann (19)
17. Shaun Pollock (20)
18. Andy Roberts (21)
19. Courtney Walsh (22)
20. Keith Miller (23)
21. Fred Spoffort
22. Fazal Mahmood (25)

A 2009 Top 25 Bowlers of All Time List

1. Malcolm Marshall (1)
2. Sydney Barnes (2)
3. Glenn McGrath (3)
4. Curtly Ambrose (4)
5. Richard Hadlee (5)
6. Dennis Lillee (8)
7. Imran Khan (9)
8. Wasim Akram (11)
9. Fred Trueman (12)
10. Waqar Younis (13)
11. Joel Garner (14)
12. Ray Lindwall (15)
13. Michael Holding (17)
14. Fred Spofforth (18)
15. Allan Donald (19)
16. George Lohmann (21)
17. Alan Davidson (22)
18. Andy Roberts (23)
19. Shaun Pollock (24)
20. Keith Miller (25)

I omitted the spin bowlers from the last two lists, overall ranking given in brackets.

 

[Teja.]

I take Credit for the rise of Waqar in the rankings.

 

[The Sean]

Thanks for running this Stephen, nice work mate.

 

[stephen]

Interesting to see that Ambrose, McGrath, Hadlee and Marshall are in the top 5 of all three contests.

There was a definite rise in the stocks of the Pakistani fast bowlers.

I actually made a mistake in the listing of the results, not upholding the 17th-20th place getters correctly. The corrected results read:

1 Malcolm Marshall
2 Richard Hadlee
3 Glenn McGrath
4 Curly Ambrose
5 Imran Khan
6 Waqar Younis
7 Dennis Lillee
8 Wasim Akram
9 Fred Trueman
10 Sydney Barnes
11 Joel Garner
12 Michael Holding
13 Ray Lindwall
14 Allan Davidson
15 Allan Donald
16 Harold Larwood
17 Frank Tyson
18 Andy Roberts
19 Shaun Pollock
20 Keith Miller
21 George Lohmann
22 Shane Bond
23 John Snow
24 Jeff Thomson
25 Bob Willis
26 Courtney Walsh
27 Neil Adcock
28 Brian Statham
29 Maurice Tate
30 Dale Steyn
31 Ian Botham
32 Wes Hall
33 Peter Pollock
34 Fazal Mahmood
35 Alec Bedser
36 Frederick Spofforth
37 Jack Gregory
38 Mohammad Nissar
39 Bruce Reid
40 Jason Gillespie
41 Kapil Dev
42 Jack Cowie
43 Ian Bishop
44 Shoaib Akhtar

 

[Matt79]

Good list imo. Not too much to take issue with from my perspective.

 

[Slifer]

Im just so choked up over all the MM love over the years. Glad to see Im not the only one to think he was such an extraordinary bowler

 

[G.I.Joe]

Yeah, AWTA. I feel like puking too.

 

[JBH001]

Thanks for running this Stephen. Little to quibble about from 1 - 8 IMO. Good list.