Erroneous revisionism that needs to be corrected

[Red]

I remember the Gatting one. That was a shocker. Similar thing happened to a bloke facing Thomson in grade here in the early 70s. Ball took a piece of his ear off on its way through and it was attached to the ball when they picked it up after it went for four leg byes. Not fun

Proud stitches on a new ball going at 150km plus would be pretty much like getting a whipper snipper over the ear or nose.

 

[the big bambino]

The West Indies dominated with swing and skill. Yeah sure guys: Sure.

 

[trundler]

Haha, an accusation of revisionism in this very thread.

I think Flem brought up their skill because sometimes the view that they were just bullies is pushed. Skill + intimidation isn't a bad combo. Marshall had it all certainly.

 

[the big bambino]

Whenever I saw Marshall pitching it up I thought whew. Some relief. May have been different in England but out here he was dangerous bowling closer to the body. (When he pitched up it seemed he put it on a line that was a little too wide of off stump). Same with Croft, Ambrose, Patterson - even Walsh and Garner. All had different methods, from blatant intimidation (Patterson and Croft) to an ability to get lift off a length (the rest of them). Bishop was one who pitched up I guess. Roberts too mixed up his methods and remains the most under rated of the lot imo. Overall they had the skills but they dominated through intimidation.

 

[Burgey]

Christ, that cant be fully true? That's just morbid. I've seen the Gatting one. Well thank **** for helmets.

Apparently it is, but who knows. I could see it happening if, as Red Hill says, it flicks the ear with the stitches and it's a new ball

 

[Daemon]

Nah no way. We’d have had fielders getting cut all day on their hands if that was possible.

 

[Burgey]

Fielders get the webbing of their fingers cut all the time. There's no bone behind the flesh on your ear, so it's possible I guess.

 

[thierry henry]

What about the revisionist history that has the Windies teams of the 80s universally loved by fans all around the world because they were so lovely? **** that, they were a pack of arrogant ****s, albeit justifiably arrogant ****s.

Actually goes on to this day....for mine, the Windies have CONSISTENTLY had the most dickheads and the biggest dickheads in their team since I've been watching cricket, yet always get talked about like they're loveable fan favourites.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Also, Ponting wasn't 'out of form' for all 32 or whatever matches he played in India. He was just ****ing woeful in India. Making excuses doesn't change that. That's a big enough sample size. Cop it and move on. Same with Warne in India.

Been over this a few time on here, but it is often overlooked that Ponting didn't actually play in India (barring a single dodgy Test) during his peak period (his 6-7 best years). It doesn't change that he underperformed there over the course of his career, but it is a factor that should be taken into account, but never is.

Agree with everything else and the general gist of your post. Not sure why it needed a thread but more **** to talk about to make the working day go faster is always a good thing

Haaaaaave you met Stephen and TJB

this just confirms that you don't pay close enough attention to what I say

Actually goes on to this day....for mine, the Windies have CONSISTENTLY had the most dickheads and the biggest dickheads in their team since I've been watching cricket, yet always get talked about like they're loveable fan favourites.

Why can't dickheads be lovable fan favourites? The 2 aren't mutually exclusive. Look at Chris Gayle, one of the most popular cricketers around with the fans but he's a terrible human.

 

[thierry henry]

Also re: the skills of the West Indies bowlers, you'll hear people say things like "Joel Garner, 6'8", not absolutely express but can you imagine bouncers and yorkers from that height? Unplayable" - and it's like...yes I can imagine a really tall bloke bowling a bouncer and a yorker, but Steve Finn and Chris Tremlett and Jacob ****ing Oram weren't ATG bowlers, were they?

Like...Garner must have actually been a properly good bowler but somehow gets reduced to raw materials that really just make the batsmen look like idiots rather than properly expressing why he was so good.

 

[Victor Ian]

My memory of the windows in the 80s is of the way they cramped batsmen. They bought in a limit on bouncers but it did not hamper them because the bowled at your chest area rather than your head or above. They just put the ball in really awkward positions time and again with enough pace to be hard to control.

 

[thierry henry]

Why can't dickheads be lovable fan favourites? The 2 aren't mutually exclusive. Look at Chris Gayle, one of the most popular cricketers around with the fans but he's a terrible human.

yeah I agree, they ARE fan favourites, partly because they are somehow wrongly seen as "loveable".

Like you'd be hard pressed to find someone more obviously a dickhead than Chris Gayle, yet he is widely perceived as something he isn't. That's what I'm saying.

 

[jimmy101]

The thing about Gayle is, whilst he might have some personality traits that irk some people, he doesn't bring any negativity on to the field with him & has always played the game in a respectable way. Can't say I've ever seen or heard of him indulging in any "hard but fair" sledging or any other BS such as that. ****y? Yes. poor sportsman? No (imo anyway).

 

[thierry henry]

The thing about Gayle is, whilst he might have some personality traits that irk some people, he doesn't bring any negativity on to the field with him & has always played the game in a respectable way. Can't say I've ever seen or heard of him indulging in any "hard but fair" sledging or any other BS such as that. ****y? Yes. poor sportsman? No (imo anyway).

jeez, really? Just off the top of my head he was involved in a ridiculous protracted on-field spat with Michael Clarke once, where he just went after Clarke without even any provocation

.....(yes yes I know, it's ok because it was Clarke etc)

 

[TheJediBrah]

The thing about Gayle is, whilst he might have some personality traits that irk some people, he doesn't bring any negativity on to the field with him & has always played the game in a respectable way. Can't say I've ever seen or heard of him indulging in any "hard but fair" sledging or any other BS such as that. ****y? Yes. poor sportsman? No (imo anyway).

probably mostly because he simply doesn't give a **** as long as he gets to slog a few when it's his turn to bat and get paid

 

[jimmy101]

jeez, really? Just off the top of my head he was involved in a ridiculous protracted on-field spat with Michael Clarke once, where he just went after Clarke without even any provocation

.....(yes yes I know, it's ok because it was Clarke etc)

As far as I know he said that Clarke wouldn't make Australia's 2nd XI, something like that anyway. At least that's what was reported iirc.

 

[TheJediBrah]

That was 2006 champions trophy wasn't it? Or maybe 2009?

 

[jimmy101]

Something along those lines.

 

[cnerd123]

The number of people going around now who don't rate Sachin as the best ODI batsman of all time, and worthy 2nd to Bradman overall, is staggering. Let alone the number of people who don't even think he is Top 5 or 10.

 

[TheJediBrah]

The number of people going around now who don't rate Sachin as the best ODI batsman of all time, and worthy 2nd to Bradman overall, is staggering. Let alone the number of people who don't even think he is Top 5 or 10.

there are probably a dozen players who would all be worthy 2nd to Bradman