England tour of Australia ODIs

[SteveNZ]

Ok here's what it is for me. I would much prefer ODIs over T20Is. I'd rather T20Is be relegated to franchise cricket and the occasional World T20, and then ODIs go back to how they were in the early-00s with meaningful Tri-series, tournaments and bilaterals with full-strength teams or as close to it as possible.

However, that's not going to happen. 3 formats going at full steam is unsustainable and the way it's looking, ODIs are the one getting the short shrift. Right now they are a shadow of what they used to be, half strength teams everywhere and 3 match series most of the time. They seem to be everyone's last priority after Test cricket, IPL & other franchises, and T20Is.

Yeah, no doubt this is the reality.

Boards need to get smarter, however, than 'hurr durr ODIs make less money, me schedule none of those. ODIs die'. We just had a whole bunch of nations down here for a T20 World Cup - two are now in NZ, two are now in Australia. Could there be a quad series? How can we survive the squeeze on ODIs and still make them meaningless and still stage them? It will actually take the ICC and Boards to have some nous and some interest in keeping that format alive. Because 50-over World Cups are still of value to people, and they'll cease to exist if you kill off 50-over cricket year on year.

As TH says, our Board is particularly **** at it. We just had a T20 World Cup, now 5 days after it finished, we have a slapdash T20 series that is really hard to give a **** about. I'm looking forward to the ODI series as a genuine contest between two nations with a history of good contests in that format. In T20s, I couldn't give a rats and I reckon a lot of the players will be jaded, too. They'd much rather switch formats and enjoy a genuine contest.

 

[SteveNZ]

ODIs being a full day on the piss with a result at the end is key to what makes them great tbh

My oath it is. Some of my greatest memories are ODIs in the 90s and 2000s, I could list you off 15-20 plus games deep rooted in my memory, and that's exclusively attending Eden Park games. Add to that VB Series/Commonwealth Series/Tri Series, some of those tense series' in England around the late 2000s etc.

Honestly, I cannot remember a single T20 series in that sort of context. If that's what cricket wants to become, we'll see where that takes us to in the future in terms of the long-term, hardcore fans who are with you for life. Fire up these Hundreds, lollipop T20I series' etc, but if you don't have a devoted, loyal fan base, they'll drop you like a hot pie whenever they like. Then you have nothing

 

[Line and Length]

Some interesting and valid comments here. I find it difficult to get enthused about the current ODI matches against England and it was only because it was a fully international event that I followed the recently completed T20 World Cup. For me, Test correct is the pinnacle of cricket and the one form that I really care about. Because of my childhood memories of Hutton, Compton et al I have always supported England in Ashes series. In other events my allegiances differ. This is why I wasn't particularly enthusiastic about England's win in the T20 World Cup and I'll be following the Socceroos in the World Cup.
For Burgey's information I allowed my British passport to lapse many years ago and I regard myself as an Australian having lived here before most CW members were born. Then why do I support England in the Ashes? Apart from the reason given above, I tend to support underdogs.
Why then did I appear to be making excuses for England on this particular thread and series? Basically I wanted to see Australia do well, given their recent white ball results, but I didn't rate the England side as being fully representative and didn't think one could get particularly excited about beating them.
Finally I can't let Burgey's "This explains the yearning for colonial times in the OT and politics posts then." pass without comment- show me where I have shown even an inkling of such a yearning. My family coming to Australia was wonderful opportunity for a poor, working class family to start a new life in a land of opportunity.

 

[Ashes81]

One of the issues going forward for ODIs is will the top players, particularly bowlers want to play them.

The top players play too much cricket. Ben Stokes has given up ODIs so his body gets some rest.

The top players will always want to play test cricket and T20 is so financially lucrative, the obvious format to pull out of for players is ODIs.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

My oath it is. Some of my greatest memories are ODIs in the 90s and 2000s, I could list you off 15-20 plus games deep rooted in my memory, and that's exclusively attending Eden Park games. Add to that VB Series/Commonwealth Series/Tri Series, some of those tense series' in England around the late 2000s etc.

Honestly, I cannot remember a single T20 series in that sort of context. If that's what cricket wants to become, we'll see where that takes us to in the future in terms of the long-term, hardcore fans who are with you for life. Fire up these Hundreds, lollipop T20I series' etc, but if you don't have a devoted, loyal fan base, they'll drop you like a hot pie whenever they like. Then you have nothing

I'm not proud of the fact but I probably remember the 2007 CH series better than the birth of my kids.

 

[Burgey]

Won't happen, but if the ICC brought in a reg which said that barring objectively verified injury, players have to play X number of the qualifying ODIs between WCs in order to play in the tourney, there might be a bit more interest.

 

[Burgey]

For Burgey's information I allowed my British passport to lapse many years ago and I regard myself as an Australian having lived here before most CW members were born. Then why do I support England in the Ashes? Apart from the reason given above, I tend to support underdogs

This changes everything. This is great. It's sympathy support because you're acknowledging how **** they are. Love it.

 

[TheJediBrah]

I'm not proud of the fact but I probably remember the 2007 CH series better than the birth of my kids.

Isn't that the one where Aus sent an E-team and Mike Hussey had to captain because the first 4 choices were all rested

Only white-ball series against NZ I remember was the 2001/02 tri series with SA, ie. the emergence of Bond

 

[thierry henry]

I'm not proud of the fact but I probably remember the 2007 CH series better than the birth of my kids.

And that was pretty much the epitome of Australia sending a B team, which is why I'm skeptical of all the logical justifications people seem to have now for not wanting to watch "substandard" ODIs (again, maybe just a case of NZ being different)

 

[CricAddict]

Ok here's what it is for me. I would much prefer ODIs over T20Is. I'd rather T20Is be relegated to franchise cricket and the occasional World T20, and then ODIs go back to how they were in the early-00s with meaningful Tri-series, tournaments and bilaterals with full-strength teams or as close to it as possible.

However, that's not going to happen. 3 formats going at full steam is unsustainable and the way it's looking, ODIs are the one getting the short shrift. Right now they are a shadow of what they used to be, half strength teams everywhere and 3 match series most of the time. They seem to be everyone's last priority after Test cricket, IPL & other franchises, and T20Is.

Yeah, first up, ODI tournaments need to have some context. As the first priority, make Nidahas trophy only ODIs. The rest can fall into place.

All ODI tournaments should be only tri-series between 3 unique sides. Winners of 4 of the tri-series should play another quadrangular series within the year to determine the ultimate winner for that year. This is definitely possible to be scheduled every year since it is only 5 tournaments in total. Rotate the sides between the tri-series every year.

 

[Prince EWS]

Archer, Wood, Woakes, S Curran, Willey, Topley, Jordan, T Curran, Mahmood, Carse would have to get injured...

Carse is arse.

 

[tony p]

It's obvious that LO's which take 50 overs is to time consuming for the present day.
T20 is this era's game, although with some of those matches actually taking more time to complete then they should (India, I'm talking to you), we will be getting the T10 shortly, far easier to follow, (can play 2 matches in a day).
Didn't watch the match yesterday, wasn't interested in a match or series with no real meaning.
Australia won, GREAT, on to the next match which will be as meaningless as this one.
And MARNUS should just be a TEST player, I really don't think one-day cricket of ANY format is his go.

 

[Nintendo]

It's obvious that LO's which take 50 overs is to time consuming for the present day.
T20 is this era's game, although with some of those matches actually taking more time to complete then they should (India, I'm talking to you), we will be getting the T10 shortly, far easier to follow, (can play 2 matches in a day).
Didn't watch the match yesterday, wasn't interested in a match or series with no real meaning.
Australia won, GREAT, on to the next match which will be as meaningless as this one.
And MARNUS should just be a TEST player, I really don't think one-day cricket of ANY format is his go.

Marnus is a pretty good T20 cricketer tbf. Done well for Glamorgan and the heat over the past 2 years, his leggies are also borderline 5th bowler quality in the format.

 

[Son Of Coco]

Given they say you're only as good as your last game, exactly how alarming is England's steep descent into mediocrity after the highs of a (seemingly*) legitimate World Cup win only a few days ago?

* I say 'seemingly' because, as we all know, it's likely England have cheated in some way, and in years to come we will be discussing how their pants were covered in vaseline to help shine the ball or their bats were coated in gunpowder.

 

[Son Of Coco]

Just saw Agar's save last night in the field. Bloody hell! Amazing fielding.

 

[ashley bach]

Just saw Agar's save last night in the field. Bloody hell! Amazing fielding.

Not to mention he took the run out opportunity pinging the stumps. Think he's quite fortunate to be in the team though, he'll need to produce something
useful with the ball or the bat in a hurry or it could be out the backdoor.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Agar's bowling will be vital in the subcontinent. His batting is overrated though I don't see him being much use in ODIs. I think he has to play alongside Zampa, the other spin options are pretty underwhelming.

Lyon is not an ODI bowler. Swepson shouldn't even be close to consideration. They seem to want to push Todd Murphy but it's still too soon for that surely.

If I had to pick a 3rd ODI spinner to be next in line after Zampa & Agar, it would be Kuhnemann.

 

[Prince EWS]

Agar's bowling will be vital in the subcontinent. His batting is overrated though I don't see him being much use in ODIs. I think he has to play alongside Zampa, the other spin options are pretty underwhelming.

Lyon is not an ODI bowler. Swepson shouldn't even be close to consideration. They seem to want to push Todd Murphy but it's still too soon for that surely.

If I had to pick a 3rd ODI spinner to be next in line after Zampa & Agar, it would be Kuhnemann.

Manenti. Could bat 4 instead of Marnus too.

 

[TheJediBrah]

At a stretch Head, Maxwell and Marnus could share a 2nd spinner role but that's a big risk over there against subcontinental teams.

 

[Prince EWS]

At a stretch Head, Maxwell and Marnus could share a 2nd spinner role but that's a big risk over there against subcontinental teams.

Daily reminder that Head > Lyon.