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You're kidding - and I say that as a Surrey supporter. He can play a bit, but he's far too loose even for the county game, so I dread to think what test attacks would do with him. Last year he faded badly after a decent start to the season, and he did next to nothing for the A team a year and a bit ago IIRC.

if you told me to critise him i would say similar things. But if you asked me for a replacement for trescothick in 4/5 years time, i will again say him.
Strauss only came to the fore 2 years max ago.

 

[SpeedKing]

i would rather have Jefferson instead of Newman ATm, don't know about 2-3 yrs from now, but as i said, ATM, Jefferson looks like the man.

 

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i would rather have Jefferson instead of Newman ATm, don't know about 2-3 yrs from now, but as i said, ATM, Jefferson looks like the man.

I wouldnt agree, its just that Jefferson is in the 'hype' now, its an english tradition to build up a young hero. Newman is the next package and he too will be in the 'hype' soon enough, after that tim Bresnan will be, its a pattern.

If you dont understand what i mean by 'hype', well i mean all the attention that pushes a player in the team, a great example is Ed Smith, look at him now when the media does not care for him.

 

[SpeedKing]

Surely there are better bowlers in England than Anderson and Kabir Ali and better players than Batty and Clarke.

Not really in Anderson and Ali's cases, they should definitely be in the 2nds for their development. Saggers, Mahmood and Harrison are probably the closest competition. Might have forgotten others.

In Batty's case, Swann is the better option [can bat ABIT as well] and deserves his chance. Or even Dawson [maybe].

Clarke, Mascharenas is also a better option. PJ Franks' name keeps popping up in my mind.

 

[SpeedKing]

I wouldnt agree, its just that Jefferson is in the 'hype' now, its an english tradition to build up a young hero. Newman is the next package and he too will be in the 'hype' soon enough, after that tim Bresnan will be, its a pattern.

If you dont understand what i mean by 'hype', well i mean all the attention that pushes a player in the team, a great example is Ed Smith, look at him now when the media does not care for him.

i have not given up on Ed Smith just yet. True about hype and maybe needs another 2 strong campaigns before he can get in the minds of the selectors consistently.

 

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In Batty's case, Swann is the better option [can bat ABIT as well] and deserves his chance. Or even Dawson [maybe].

Dawson does deserve his chance, i dont want to rant on again like i have before about it, but he deserves his place more than Swann, Batty's fair competition.

 

[SpeedKing]

Oh i forgot about Cook, i think he is the best rising star we have for the openning slot.

 

[Link]

i have not given up on Ed Smith just yet. True about hype and maybe needs another 2 strong campaigns before he can get in the minds of the selectors consistently.

Neither have i, he is a good bat, so is McGrath, that had to go down the same road. But the fact of the matter is the media has now focused on four batsmen to fill the other batting slot, and they are Pietersen, Bell, Key and Butcher. If the selectors pick someone like Smith there will be uproar, thats just the way it works. The media influences all the decisions. Just ask Sven-Goran Errikson (no idea how to spell that??)

 

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Oh i forgot about Cook, i think he is the best rising star we have for the openning slot.

I didnt, Newman is

 

[SpeedKing]

I didnt, Newman is

So from our little exchange, i has boiled down to Newman, Cook or Jefferson to replace Bangers. I will drop Jefferson as i feel that Cook is more talented. So you want Newman i want Cook, i am very confident my man will get there first.

 

[SpeedKing]

. Just ask Sven-Goran Errikson (no idea how to spell that??)

one 'r' too many and one 's' too few, otherwise, perfect

 

[Link]

one 'r' too many and one 's' too few, otherwise, perfect

I would have never guessed it to save my life, and that is what it was a guess

 

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So from our little exchange, i has boiled down to Newman, Cook or Jefferson to replace Bangers. I will drop Jefferson as i feel that Cook is more talented. So you want Newman i want Cook, i am very confident my man will get there first.

Well yes and no. Yes because at the moment the three biggest up and coming openers are the three you mentioned.
No because all it takes is the media to hype and push someone for example Matthew Wood, and then they would be in contention. 4/5 years is a long time, not for tresco, but for potential to develop.

 

[marc71178]

I wouldnt agree, its just that Jefferson is in the 'hype' now, its an english tradition to build up a young hero. Newman is the next package and he too will be in the 'hype' soon enough, after that tim Bresnan will be, its a pattern.

If Newman were the next package, he'd already be in the Academy squads.

 

[marc71178]

Dawson does deserve his chance, i dont want to rant on again like i have before about it, but he deserves his place more than Swann, Batty's fair competition.

But so far this chance is to be number 2 spinner - won't give them a great deal of playing time!

 

[marc71178]

Neither have i, he is a good bat, so is McGrath, that had to go down the same road. But the fact of the matter is the media has now focused on four batsmen to fill the other batting slot, and they are Pietersen, Bell, Key and Butcher. If the selectors pick someone like Smith there will be uproar, thats just the way it works.

The reason there'd be uproar is because he wasn't up to it, and those 4 are far ahead of him.

 

[Neil Pickup]

If Newman were the next package, he'd already be in the Academy squads.

Or, more accurately, he would have been retained in this winter's intake, and not dropped for being utterly useless last time around.

 

[Neil Pickup]

i have not given up on Ed Smith just yet. True about hype and maybe needs another 2 strong campaigns before he can get in the minds of the selectors consistently.

First, however, he would need to become good.

 

[badgerhair]

I wouldnt agree, its just that Jefferson is in the 'hype' now, its an english tradition to build up a young hero. Newman is the next package and he too will be in the 'hype' soon enough, after that tim Bresnan will be, its a pattern.

Newman looks to be a reasonable bet on the basis of last season's form, but he'll need to reproduce it to stave off the fast-rising Cook - whose only fault at present is that he doesn't yet have the skill to place his shots out of reach of fielders. It was instructive to watch him and Andy Flower batting for MCC against Warks in the season's opener: Cook played shot after shot straight at the packed offside field while Flower's shots neatly bisected pairs of fielders and he scored twice as fast while playing half as many shots.

Jefferson obviously comes into the reckoning because of his boring insistence on actually scoring runs in quantity. If you equate hundreds and hundreds of runs with "hype", then you'll put *anything* down to the media.

As to Bresnan, some of us have been convinced he's a future England bowler for at least three years - though I'd stress the "future" bit because I doubt he'll be ready until about 2008. (I'll admit I can be wrong about these estimates: Gough turned out to be ready for international cricket a year before I'd thought he would be the first couple of times I saw him.)

If you dont understand what i mean by 'hype', well i mean all the attention that pushes a player in the team, a great example is Ed Smith, look at him now when the media does not care for him.

Oh, this is even sillier.

Of course it's right that when the England batsmen aren't doing very well - and they weren't in 2003 - the selectors give an opportunity to someone who is obviously able to play because he is scoring vast quantities of runs, as Smith was. So they tried him out, and it quickly became apparent that his technique wasn't up to the top level, so back he went with people having a much clearer idea of what he was like than they'd gathered from watching Kent games from the boundary edge in early 2003.

When Chris Tremlett appears in the fourth Ashes Test, you'll no doubt say that's all been hype despite his dozens of wickets so far in the season and the fact that he was one of the four fast bowlers who swore to Rod Marsh on the first Academy trip to Australia that they would be back to win the Ashes in 2006-7 (the others being Harmison, Jones and Tudor), so it's not as though it will be some kind of major surprise to anyone who's actually been paying attention.

Cheers,

Mike