THE MINGSTER said:
Ummm.....J Marshall, Horsley, Ingram haven't performed. Perhaps you should actually see some scorecards before you name them.
Orchard is an allrounder. Broom has a big future but hasn't been around enough.
Sheed as a lower order? He is a batsman and doesn't bowl. He is a middle order.
Gillespie is no good. All these medium pace bowlers like Walker and Canning have great stats but they are really not much of a threat in Tests. Too slow. Gareth Shaw won't even make it into the Auckland team. Enough said. Hayden Shaw is focusing in Hockey. McMillan is not there yet. M Hart is not a tailender, he bats in the top order and rarely bowls these days. Jeez...alll those names you listed are rubbish.
M Hart will never play another game for NZ. He doesn't bat or bowl well. Wilson will.
Tell me. Who is this country has been suffered, being blooded too late? No one.
Name some examples please, because I think you are talking trash.
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I was naming a possible squad of players for the 'A' Team format, going for a blend of youth, past experience, current performance & potential, as opposed to a team of perenial 2nd stringers.......primarily to offer an alternative train of thought, not necessarily claiming to be the definative one, but prepared to put my case based upon my limited knowledge......
I have already admitted prior to that post that my current knowledge of the NZ domestic scene is limited in another thread, and as a consequence I welcome anyone's ability to shed some light on the situation or the candidates - without necessarily getting hot under the collar about it!
EG J Marshall has a F/C top score of 235, Horsley 159 so they can put it together and are both in their early 20s - plenty of time to develop further.
So far as being too slow goes what pace did you think Astle bowls at or the likes of Coney???? Another of my criticisms is that the NZ bowling attack is too one paced & I would like to see some greater variations. Furthermore who said anything about these players being considered exclusively for Test cricket & not ODIs?
M Hart batted in the Tail when selected for ODIs & his stats still stand up. I had asked what had happened to him in previous forums but no one said anything.
I'm not saying being blooded too late, but was primarily referring to the likes of potential Acadamy selections. We have several members on the site who play youth grade overseas and have experienced some rather harsh treatment that has turned them off the game somewhat.
I have known several players with genuine natural talent (in other sports) who gave up because they thought no one was interested, only to find out later that the interest was there but from a distance. Some of the responses had been that had they known at the time it could have been enough to keep them going. Some of these players were at State / Provincial level.
So far as NZ cricket is concerned for some time I have questioned the treatment of some of our younger players who have made early introductions to International competition at a young age, and have disappeared almost just as quick and do not appear to have figured in any further development or plans.
The question I have raised is in regards to any ongoing corrective / remedial coaching etc instigated by the NZCC to get them back on track thru loss of form as opposed to injury, or if this has been left up to the State / club / individual? So far no one has been able to indicate anything so for all intents & purposes it would appear that they 'disappear'. Such players include - Wilson, H Marshall, Bell, Franklin, M Hart.
Similarly if there is not some sort of program for the younger players, why would we then presume there to be one for the 'older' players unless they are senior squad members??? Players such as Sinclair & Cairns could fall into this 2nd group - both have proven talent & both have ongoing problems re form / technique (Cairns' problems probably as a result of ongoing injuries but has his technique been put thru the mill to double check - one presumes so because of his status?). We have talked / identified Sinclair's problems with his footwork, but has anything actually been put in place to adress this or is it left up to the palyer to instigate something?
