End of Quota system in SA??

[Langeveldt]

I just can't see how people just can't get along without having to discrimminate either way. Its only a colour.

Oh people get along fine in SA.. Institutionalised racism however has always been ingrained into every facet of society there and I don't ever see that changing to be honest..

 

[Flem274*]

Oh people get along fine in SA.. Institutionalised racism however has always been ingrained into every facet of society there and I don't ever see that changing to be honest..

Thats what I was talking about. I just don't see the point in it.

 

[Langeveldt]

Thats what I was talking about. I just don't see the point in it.

Eye for an eye I guess, under a veil of "addressing past imbalances"

 

[Perm]

Interesting Goughy, but i've always been under the impression that quotas was only in the cricket team though, have never heard it mentioned with respect to the football & rugby team??

Definitely is a quota in rugby, I think from memory the starting team is supposed to contain 4 players of colour and the squad to have 7 altogether. Could be mistaken on the exact number though.

 

[Athlai]

Great news after a week of bad news.

 

[Prince EWS]

Not buying it yet. A story like this comes out every couple of years and nothing happens.

 

[honestbharani]

I can understand having quotas/targets or whatever at the lower levels and trying to make sure that the previously disadvantaged community get a chance with the best facilities and stuff but at the highest level at least, the selections should be based on merit???


I mean how much of a fallacy would it be to pick a guy who is rated only 5/10 for the army over a guy who got 9/10 simply because the first guy is from a certain community which was previously disadvantaged? It is not always obvious but it could prove extremely costly when you are doing this at the highest level.

 

[Redbacks]

One of the issues was participation of only 'whites' at junior level, perhaps the use of a quota at the top level was aimed at getting the attention of the younger generation, to be able to look up and see a pathway to the higher levels of the game, that perhaps would have mentally still existed if the team was picked totally on merit. Some sort of 'equalitarianist' approach for perceived inequalities in junior development.

 

[Craig]

Ok, here is a geniune question, if there is a black cricketer born in 1987 and is good enought to make the South African on his own merit, why would he be considered "previously disadvantaged" when he would of been 3 or 4 years old when Mandela got out of prison and 7 when Mandela became President.

 

[Protean]

Ok, here is a geniune question, if there is a black cricketer born in 1987 and is good enought to make the South African on his own merit, why would he be considered "previously disadvantaged" when he would of been 3 or 4 years old when Mandela got out of prison and 7 when Mandela became President.

Disadvantaged parents means not being able to attend the best schools, have the best equipment, etc. People will be suffering the effects of those years for a long time to come, as much as we like to say it's all over.

 

[Craig]

Disadvantaged parents means not being able to attend the best schools, have the best equipment, etc. People will be suffering the effects of those years for a long time to come, as much as we like to say it's all over.

Using my black cricketer example, would said cricketer still count if he came from a well-off black family?

 

[Protean]

Using my black cricketer example, would said cricketer still count if he came from a well-off black family?

Yeah, unfortunately they don't distinguish there.

 

[Athlai]

The repercussions of apartheid go well beyond financial issues IMO.

 

[Craig]

The repercussions of apartheid go well beyond financial issues IMO.

Such as? (Geniune question BTW)

 

[Athlai]

Such as? (Geniune question BTW)

Well for example racism has untold emotional effects on the people that live through it. It affects their development, how they see themselves and how they see the world. You grow up in a place where you are treated as a second class citizen and it will potentially hamper your development, your dreams, your very nature.

My mother still laments growing up as an Irish catholic girl in Scotland 50 odd years ago. Carries the weight of the racism she felt to this very day.

 

[Langeveldt]

Well for example racism has untold emotional effects on the people that live through it. It affects their development, how they see themselves and how they see the world. You grow up in a place where you are treated as a second class citizen and it will potentially hamper your development, your dreams, your very nature.

My mother still laments growing up as an Irish catholic girl in Scotland 50 odd years ago. Carries the weight of the racism she felt to this very day.

Yeah definitely, and if you've built a nation based on the colour of skin being the most important facet of every individual's oppertunities, even down to where they live and who their partners are, then you aren't going to flick a switch and change that overnight.. It's a hard thing to describe to people who haven't been to SA, I guess the closest equivalent would be the Indian Caste system.. Most of my black SA friends I have I met in the UK, people from the same city as me in SA ironically.. Just by the fact that if they were in SA, they would be in the "other side of town" and I would never see them.. Certainly wouldn't be at the same clubs as them.. It took being in the UK to meet people in my own town..

Still I've always failed to see why it matters that we've got a "representative" cricket or rugby team when most black people would rather play soccer.. But I guess thats another old fashioned attitude..