downhill skiing and FTBs

[Spark]

Spark you son of a...

 

[morgieb]

Just comparing him in swinging conditions to non-swinging conditions. He seems to go missing unless he gets help from conditions, whereas Broad can be useful anywhere

I wouldn't say that the UAE, India 2012 or Ashes 2010/11 were particularly favourable conditions. It's probably fair to say his record outside of England isn't terrific overall, but he has had enough great series outside of swinging conditions to avoid a bowling FTB tag.

 

[TheJediBrah]

I wouldn't say that the UAE, India 2012 or Ashes 2010/11 were particularly favourable conditions. It's probably fair to say his record outside of England isn't terrific overall, but he has had enough great series outside of swinging conditions to avoid a bowling FTB tag.

I've never seen him bowl except against Australia so those other series don't count

 

[Furball]

Just comparing him in swinging conditions to non-swinging conditions. He seems to go missing unless he gets help from conditions, whereas Broad can be useful anywhere

Smith only scores runs on flat home pitches.

 

[a spambot]

Dennis Lillee. Prove me wrong

 

[Noah]

I may be misunderstanding the meaning of 'flat track bully' or 'downhill skier' but it seems to be misapplied in most cases. The majority of the players listed just look like guys who perform better at home or in favourable conditions, which is true for pretty much every player in history.

I mean, guys like Anderson, Warner, and Herath all have pretty decent records in most countries but it's not surprising that their records tend to be inflated against weaker opponents at home. In fact, you'd probably hold it against good players if they failed to make runs/take wickets when given the opportunity. It seems odd that it is an indictment against certain players when it's actually a very common theme in cricket.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Smith only scores runs on flat home pitches.

I know I've heard all about it

 

[Noah]

Ross Taylor, absolutely.
It's funny how you can put Warner and Voges there but not Smith and Khawaja.
Angelo Matthews comes to mind.
Younus Khan.

Bowlers,

Ashin, Jadeja, Herath, Southee, Boult, Anderson, Shah

I'm interested in Matthews being listed. Admittedly I haven't seen him play in 2+ years but he was always talked up (and his play seemed to support it) as a player with a good understanding of his off stump and all the tools to excel outside the SC in seaming/swinging conditions.

Has that changed or has he just had a bit of poor form/bad luck up until now that may be corrected in the future?

 

[Daemon]

People were talking out their butts based on one series iirc

 

[vcs]

Mathews is actually a crisis specialist, if anything. Stupid nomination.

 

[Agent TBY]

So, being an FTB as a bowler is a good thing, right?

 

[centurymaker]

I may be misunderstanding the meaning of 'flat track bully' or 'downhill skier' but it seems to be misapplied in most cases. The majority of the players listed just look like guys who perform better at home or in favourable conditions, which is true for pretty much every player in history.

I mean, guys like Anderson, Warner, and Herath all have pretty decent records in most countries but it's not surprising that their records tend to be inflated against weaker opponents at home. In fact, you'd probably hold it against good players if they failed to make runs/take wickets when given the opportunity. It seems odd that it is an indictment against certain players when it's actually a very common theme in cricket.

Hmmm

This is exactly what happens time & again. A player performs far better and far more often ..when the conditions are favourable as opposed to when they are not. It's a common theme even amongst greats.

The difference is that the greats are able to do reasonably well ..enough times when it's not easy.. and of course they bully the hell out the mediocre/weak opponents. And thats how the game is in Tests where you wait & wait & then exploit each other's mistakes..

 

[stephen]

No way abdv or smith are downhill skiers. Both are class and will be considered atg players in their retirement.

 

[Spark]

No way abdv or smith are downhill skiers. Both are class and will be considered atg players in their retirement.

For the record I do not consider ABdV a downhill skiier at all. It's just fun to wind up Jono.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Warner can definitely be claimed as one seeing as he averages less than 40 away from Australia and only has 4 tons in 27 tests compared to 13 at home in 32 tests. The India series coming up is a big one for him as he has batted stupidly on a few occasions on pitches that turn just trying to smash the ball to all parts, has he actually got a plan to combat decent spin bowling?

As for England we don't have anyone good enough to downhill ski, don't think you can call Root or Cook downhill skiers and there isn't enough proof for the rest yet as they haven't made enough tons.

 

[TNT]

All Australians are flat track bullies, they cant play spin on dustbowls.

 

[indiaholic]

Why have you excluded WI?

 

[ImpatientLime]

Just comparing him in swinging conditions to non-swinging conditions. He seems to go missing unless he gets help from conditions, whereas Broad can be useful anywhere

that'll explain anderson's much better record than broad in asia then

if anything, broad is more of a conditions reliant bowler than anderson.

 

[indiaholic]

When has Root toured SL?

 

[indiaholic]

Why edit that TNT?